17.4.06

Spinoza's theory of substance

Spinoza's theory of substance

is monistic

what exists is a singularity

there is only one substance

now according to Spinoza

we perceive attributes of this substance

(we are attributes of this substance)

attributes are what is perceived - expressions

on Spinoza's theory - perceived or not

they are expressions of what is

characteristics of it

now with these attributes - where does the weight lie?

in perceiving or in what is perceived?

I think Spinoza would say - the weight is equal

OK

still there is a question of the essence of substance -

i.e. that which all attributes have in common

that which is - if you like - prior to

perceived expressions

that which must be for them to be perceived expressions?

i.e. - can we distinguish - does Spinoza need to
distinguish - attributes from substance?

now extension and mind on Spinoza's view are two attributes

two perceptions of essence?

yes - it can't be two essences - perceived

the definition - of substance requires that it has an
infinity of attributes -

now we can ask - in relation to the two attributes -
extension and mind - how are they to be distinguished?

- on Spinoza's view

are they just equivalent descriptions of one phenomenon
- i.e. - substance?

it would seem so

now according to Spinoza - we can only describe substance
under - two attributes - we can see it as extended -
or as mental -

and we do make a distinction

it is real -

if so what can it be based on?

i.e. - what distinguishes mind and matter?

this seems to be the direction Spinoza wants to avoid

on his view - it is not a question of distinguishing the two

- rather it is - how to understand 'them' as one?

and here it seems we can only talk of descriptions

different descriptions - languages of - the one

two descriptions - two of an infinite number of
possible descriptions

so to the question - what is to count as the one
description of the one substance?

prime facie - you would think that such is possible -
even necessary -

(how else would we know substance as one - if we
couldn't so describe it?)

what is clear though - is that we can only describe
it terms of attributes -

is this to say no singular description is possible?

unless we say - as Spinoza does -

that substance is existence

OK - yes

substance in all its manifestations exists -

the question though is - how meaningful is such a
statement?

to assert x is to - make an existential statement

x as such - (even once asserted is still x) -
has no epistemic content

to say substance exists - appears to be making -
a statement about substance

it is not

the existential assertion of substance tells us
only that x is x

the common characteristic of all of substance's
attributes - is existence

again - to say A1 exists - A2 exists etc.

is to say nothing

if so -

how are attributes distinguished on Spinoza's theory

and

how are they to be understood as different from -
what it is claimed they are attributes of -
that is substance?

I think finally with Spinoza we have a pure assertion
of existence -

the grand existential statement

x exists

(whatever x is - it exists)

but it is - over and above this oddly enough -
an empty statement

I'm not sure that the existential assertion - is an empty
statement or a meaningless statement -

but it is - rather - colourless

and

lacking - substance

it seems our knowledge is attribute bound

we know substance through its attributes

our knowledge therefore is attribute specific?

as to knowledge of substance as a singularity -

this seems not possible -

for it requires that our knowledge is infinite -

beyond our limited perception (extension and mind)
we have no knowledge

except that logical knowledge that substance is infinite

this though amounts to saying substance is unknowable
- in itself

and in terms of its appearance - only in an attribute
dependent manner -

and severely limited in this regard