6.6.06

Damasio II

Damasio begins with a somewhat sharper definition
of feeling - and the relation of feeling to emotion

emotions are public presentations

feelings private

emotions play out in the theatre of the body

feelings in the theatre of the mind

and he suggests that emotions precede feelings in
the history of a life

also that emotion and feeling are a continual process

and also - homeostasis

OK so he thinks it useful to distinguish private and
public dimensions of the organism

first up I should say I will look at this from the
point of view of Spinoza's thought

that's my first interest here - how accurate a
representation of Spinoza do we get from Damasio?

having said that - I recognize this may well be -
in the full playing out of events - a
misrepresentation of Damasio

the point being he may well be putting up his own -
deviant version of Spinoza's thought - in good faith -
in the fullness of the argument

nevertheless at the very least he claims to be
accurately representing Spinoza

so it's worth a look.

this private / public distinction?

first up let me say it's never been exactly clear
to me where Spinoza is on this question

does he think the mind is private?

is the mind the private dimension of substance -
extension its public face?

frankly I don't know how you would avoid some view
like this

nevertheless as far as I know Spinoza never made
such a commitment

my own view is that we should see consciousness
as the inside of the world

the inside of extension

and if this - there is not only external knowledge -
but also internal - inner knowledge

Spinoza though - I don't think viewed it this way

his perceptive was entirely objective

as if sub specie aeternitatis

we have ideas of ideas - that how is we know ideas -

it is how we know - mind

this is Spinoza's very bare - and beautiful simple
theory of consciousness

as a matter of logic - mind is not peculiar to
particular modes of substance

it exists as a dimension of - an expression of
substance - per se

it is one way that we know

and for Spinoza - therefore mind is objective -
primarily

it is a feature of the world
and the world is objective - it is not my thought

my thought is a feature of the world

I am in this sense entirely - objective

I don't think in Spinoza there is any subjectivity

there are only the objective features of reality

and we are this reality

our characteristics are these features - writ small

and these characteristics are all we know of reality

all we can know

OK - back to Damasio

feelings private - the problem here is science

how do you establish the existence of non-observable
entities?

what is the method - what is the process?

faith - it seems - and a conspiracy of believers

just a point

but why distinguish emotion and feeling

Damasio is incurably a biologist

too much time in the garden

(although Voltaire did think this was the way to go)

feelings for Damasio it sems - are something like the
(internal) observables of emotion

the flowerings

the buds

so we need this machinery

this biology of emotion

Spinoza did not think so

from the lofty heights of sub specie aeternitatis

he saw emotions very unemotionally

a change in potency

couldn't be more scientific than that

pleasure is the expression of an increase in potency

pain the expression of decrease

I am not against the great tree of emotion grown and
nurtured by Damasio - but I fail to see what is gained
with all the stages - dimensions and flowerings

a rock in the field tells us as much

and less