23.6.06

Damasio V

p.194

'That in complex systems such as ours, the brain's
regulatory operations depend on the creation and
manipulation of mental images (ideas or thoughts)
in the process we call mind.'

OK - so what we have here is a mind-brain identity
thesis - the mind as a brain process

Damasio notes that he is not confident of explaining
the relationship between brain circuitry and image

and that he has not nailed the problem to date

(1)

first up - a question - is Spinoza a mind-brain
identity theorist? - some people have argued this

I beg to disagree here

in Pt. II. P. XIII Spinoza states his view -

'The object of the idea constituting the human mind
is the body, or a certain mode of extension actually
existing and nothing else.'

OK - Spinoza does not say the object constituting
the human mind is the brain

important point I think

now what this idea of the body means may be hard to
visualize to a century convinced the mind is the brain

before Descartes it had been thought it was the heart

the point being - it is just to identify the mind with
a part of the body

OK

we must address another prejudice - that of 'the' mind -
who today thinks of the mind as not being located in a
specific part of the body?

to understand Spinoza you must know that he does not
see it this way

the mind is like extension - an objective attribute
of reality

mind is not a exclusively possessed - by any feature
of reality

nevertheless we can speak of the human mind

the mind as the idea of the body -

here the body is the object of the mind

the mind the body's subject

the relationship of mind and body is the subject /
object relationship

it is a logical relationship

the unity of the mode that is a human being

is such

that it has a subjective dimension

and an objective dimension

the dimensions point to

or are expressions of

a unity

that is substance - writ small

or

the human being is an expression in miniature
of the essence that is God

that is the totality

reality - writ large

which is in Spinoza's view - at the very least

like man

mind and extension

subject and object

man was made in God's image

finally there is no other image

(2)

what of this view of mind?

what is Spinoza argument for it?

II.P.I - 'Thought is an attribute of God,
or God is a thinking thing'

particular thoughts are modes that express
the nature of God

so the attribute of all particular thoughts -
belongs to God

thought therefore is an infinite attribute of God

this argument depends on Spinoza's argument
for attribute

that is - the reality of attributes - and of thought
as an attribute - an attribute asSpinoza would have it
- objective - infinite -

the attribute argument goes back to the argument
for substance

but just looking at the argument of II.P.I

the form of it is - particular thoughts point to
a universal thought

if particular thoughts exist

therefore

thought

and for Spinoza

therefore

God

my own view here is somewhat different to Spinoza's

I argue consciousness is to be equated with ontological
- metaphysical internality

consciousness is the inside

and of what?

well at least of human beings -

and other conscious entities

human consciousness is distinguished from animal
consciousness to the degree that it is reflective

which is about thought

human beings can think about thought

I confess I don't know any other way to say this -
but 'reflectively'

and I don't think it can be described non-reflectively

the point is that on this view consciousness sees -

it sees itself - it sees the world - the surface

that it is the inside of -

I'm not convinced that all things - have an inside

I don't know

and for that reason I would not characterize mind
as Spinoza does - as an infinite objective attribute

my outlook does have implications for the Damasio
argument

first - mind is not a surface phenomena

so - it is not accessible to surface analysis
- i.e. - science

mind is - indeed the source of science - but it cannot
be the object of science

what we observe is only ever the surface of things

the observing itself is internal - not external

how to characterize the inner states?

can this be done?

yes but only introspectively - artistically -
figuratively - poetically

and that is to say you need a different language

the language of science will only ever describe
what is out there -

not what is inside

so on my view - the kind of picture the mind-brain
identity theorists put forward - a kind of positivism
of the mind - is just not possible

and I think even they know this

but science is a vain whore - wants everyone and everything
to come to her - when in reality it's a case of beauty is
skin deep

or at least science can be regarded this way

my picture really of mind and matter is that -

apart from what I have put - regarding the internal /
external distinction

what we are really talking about - is primarily a relationship

there is something of this in Spinoza too

for me it is not a relationship that is to be resolved -

it is rather - and simply the relationship of the inner
to the outer or subject to object

but however you want to describe it - my point is the human
being - ontologically - metaphysically speaking is -
a relationship - or a relation (in the logical sense)

not a substance - a relation

not a variation on a substance - rather - possibly a variation
on a relation