12.12.06

where logic ends

I took Spinoza's definition of substance - that which is conceived through itself - and
argued that this definition is a definition of mind

this was a spin-off of the Spinoza discussion

mind conceives itself

mind - that which conceives - conceives that which conceives

and argued that this view - while true - cannot be explicated

as it stands it is to define the source as its product - or action

and so the definition collapses on itself

mind is greater than its conceptions

therefore if mind conceives itself

the conception (of mind) is lesser than mind

which is to say x is lesser than x

alright

the question is how do we get into this mess?

what all the above points to is that mind reflects

that reflectivity is the essential characteristic of mind

and so to the next and obvious question

what is it?

what is reflectivity?

now I have argued we cannot say

for to answer this question - we have to use concepts of mind

like subject / object for example

to explicate mind

it is again to attempt to use the product of mind to account for mind

and further

behind this idea - the belief - or hope that in some way we may be able to step out of
mind - to see mind - to explain mind

that an extra-mind objectivity is possible

now it is clear at this point that such is absurd

but the thing is absurd yes - but at the same time - it seems like the natural route to
take

why is this?

I think it is because of reflectivity

that is - we reflect on mind

or at least think we can
we can't - we can only reflect within -

but it is reflectivity that suggests that we can

and what are we to say here?

that the fundamental process of mind leads us astray -

that there is - or should be some limit or boundary to reflection -

that we discover - you guessed it - on reflection?

reflectivity - just seems to me to be a process - an action if you like

it is what mind does - just what it does

and like any other natural process - it is just what happens

just what happens in this world

our decisions about it - reflections - on reflectivity - are arguments of reflection

essentially no different from any other reflection - on the world or on mind

we make decisions - for reasons - in this case - for reasons of metaphysics

we never actually get out of it

the fact that we might want to - or think we can

is just another reflection

which from the point of view of logic

makes no sense

this is no great problem so long as it is realized that at such a point we are not actually
doing anything logical

imagination begins were logic ends