15.6.06

mind without substance

the mind as the idea of the mind?

this is OK

the issue is -

is the idea something had

if had - it is known - that it is had -

so -

which is -

presumably - the idea of - having and idea -

and is this too - had?

the point is - ideas are not enough to establish mind

mind as self-consciousness

just ideas -

leads to an infinite regress

perhaps -

this would suit Spinoza

but the infinite regress occurs

because - in such an argument -

there is no mind

- no foundation to ideas

ironically no substance to it

- on such a view there is no account of the observer

simply the order and succession of ideas

OK some modern objectivists would like this -

but it leaves a hole

perhaps it's the problem of taking the objectivity
of science too seriously

thinking the objective perspective

is all there is to it

it's too one dimensional

Spinoza - it seems has objectified - ideas

given a 'scientific' account
much to be said for it

but the real problem of mind is not

to my mind -

is not the relation of mind to body

it is rather the problem of the relation of mind to mind

this is the problem of consciousness

mind and body - a side issue