8.3.08

Spinoza on mind III

P. VII. The order and connection of ideas is the same as the order and connection of
things.

the argument in general is that there is an underlying unifying logic of all existing
forms

in Spinozistic terms - the logic of substance is manifested in the logic of attributes

which is to say the essential logic of mind is the essential logic of extension

we have from Spinoza the assertion of metaphysical unity

the basis of his argument is his definition of substance -

E.I.D.III. 'I understand SUBSTANCE (substantia) to be that which is in itself and is
conceived through itself; I mean that, the conception of which does not depend on
the conception of another thing from which it must be formed.'

that which is in itself and conceived through itself -

that which is in itself we can understand as that which is not in anything else

therefore it is that in which everything else is in -

so what do we say here - existence?

substance is existence as such

OK - now conceived through itself -

a conception in the normal use is a conception of -

that is there is an object of conception -

on such a view that which is conceived is other than the conceiving

so existence as such as an object is conceived by - what?

a subject

the subject cannot by definition be outside of existence - yes

but is this to say existence conceives itself?

I think not -

clearly a conception is in existence -

what of the idea of existence in itself -

this is to say everything is the subject of this conception

but can this be?

can the conception itself be - both be a conception separate from its object - and inside
its object

can we hold the concept of - as of the object being conceived?

in simple terms - the conception if it is an object - is not a conception - it is that which
is conceived

so if conception is of the object - there is no conception in the sense of that which is
apart from the object

in such a view - yes you have unity - all that is - is the object

but there is no possibility of knowing this - there is no possibility of knowledge

therefore if substance conceives itself - there is no conception

so - we can't actually speak of substance conceiving itself - such is a misuse of terms

if this is what is being argued then there is no knowledge

another point to make is this -

a concept is a concept of -

a concept of something

and a something is that which it is not

that is it has definition

it is particular -

so the question must be asked - how can the idea of substance as Spinoza defines it
- as that which has no restriction - as that which is not something that it is not -
actually be formed?

my point is that there is no such concept

because no such concept can be formed

we can say the world is 'x' and '-x'

that is the world is an entity and all that the entity is not

the point is we can only make such a statement in the form of a conjunction

a conjunction based on a particularity - 'x'

the '-x' even if you are to say it refers - to all that 'x' is not - still is not the totality -

is not the idea of substance argued by Spinoza

the idea of unrestricted totality is a logical mistake

Spinoza's idea of substance is a logical mistake - it is a misuse of the notion of
conception

I began this discussion of substance to get to the idea of unifying logic that is
manifested in thought and extension - for this I suggest is the idea behind P.VII. that
the order and connection of ideas is the same as the order and connection of things

my argument is that Spinoza's idea of substance does not provide a basis for arguing
that there is an underlying essential or existential unity

and the reason for it is that the notion of substance cannot be established in the first
place

so what of any holistic account?

the argument is clear - there is no conceptual basis for it

so just at this point we can say we must dismiss the proposal of P.VII - for it is a
species of the holistic argument - that we can conceive a totality or a complete picture
- or in this case a universal order?

the world impacts the body and this impact is internalized in the mind

that there is external impact is clear

therefore we can say the impact itself is the external internalized

the event of impact has an external and internal dimension

the event itself is the unity of these dimensions

but what sense can we make of the event itself?

in itself - it is unknown

and further it is only known via it's internalization

so the idea of it is all that is known-

can we go from here to speak of the event as it were outside of its internalization

we would need to if we were to speak of an order and connection that is outside of
thought

the point is we can't

but at the same time - because we can't we are always in a position of uncertainty

we may assume that how we are affected provides a true picture of the world outside of
our knowledge - outside of mind

but we have no way at all of being sure of this

we can for practical purposes proceed as if - and indeed we do all the time -

but this is pragmatics - not objective knowledge

some think this is where you sink into blissful solipsism

but that is not the case at all

as a matter of logic we know the external world exists

it is that which is not our internality

that which is not mind

and we understand as a matter of logic that the internal is affected by the external -

but we have no objective view of the relation - we cannot step outside of it and see it
for what it is

we are this relation

we can only operate with what it provides

and what it provides is an a two-dimensional world

and knowledge is just the arguments we make in relation to this world

there is no guarantee to these argument

they spring from necessity -

but are incurably contingent

the essence of our knowledge is uncertainty

we have no way of establishing in an objective sense if there is any order or lack of it
in this reality

we simply do not know

the other point to make is that the body is not the world

and that the clearest impressions the mind has - is of the body

things exist independently of the mind in the outside world

we can only know of these things via the body

their existence - their logic as things in themselves - is not anything we have access to
- if indeed it makes any sense to speak of them in such a manner