10.3.08

Spinoza on mind VI

'P.XXII. the human mind not only perceives the affections of the body, but also the
ideas of the affectations.

Demonstration. The ideas of the ideas of affections follow in God and are related to
God in the same way as the ideas themselves of affections. This is demonstrated like
Proposition XX, part II. But the ideas of the affections of the human body are in the
human mind (Proposition XII, part II) that is to say, in God (Proposition XI, part II,
Corollary), in so far as He constitutes the essence of the human mind; therefore, the
ideas of these ideas will be in God in so far as He has knowledge or idea of the human
mind; that is to say (Proposition 21, part II), they will be in the human mind itself,
which therefore, not only perceives the affections of the body, but also the idea of the
affections.'

the mind perceives the affections of the body but also the ideas of these affections

so a state of the body is perceived by the mind - which must mean the person is aware
of the state of the body

this awareness is an internalization of the surface event

on reflection the event has a double aspect - an internal and external dimension

a conscious - and as a matter of logic a non-conscious dimension

the experience of the affection though - is not divided -

the experience is unified

to say the event has an internal and external dimension is really to analyze it

and we do this in order to describe - so as to be able to understand it - and we have to
have some understanding of it in order to deal with it

prior to this analytical treatment the event - the unified event - is unknown

unknown in the sense that it is without character

the event is a result of the relation of consciousness and non-consciousness

underlying the unified event is this relation -

and the relation just is the meeting of mind and matter

characterization of the event is the reflective function of consciousness

you could argue from this that mind and matter are fundamentally explanatory
categories - whose function is to provide a basis on which the event of experience - in
itself unknown - can be tackled - and for all intents and purposes - be made 'known'

anyway such is a very radical view of things and it is not one I am going to pursue
right now

back to Spinoza

I would put that the awareness of the affection - just is the idea of it

Spinoza wants to say that the mind perceives the idea of the affection

and this is to say the affection has an ideational dimension to it - quite regardless of
whether the event is known

ideas - are conceptions of mind - and every thing - every event is thus a conception -
as well as an extended thing

so on this view - the mind - perceives conceptions - outside of itself

ideas are as objective as stones

this is quite a radical view of things

what it means is that for Spinoza - there is one dimension - what you would call the
outside -

everything is objective

mind is not as I have represented it an internal dimension

there is no internality for Spinoza

I can understand why his theory demands this - but I find it quite bizarre

it amounts to saying there is no inner life

everything is revealed

mind / matter - it's all out there -

if you are to argue such a view you must accept that as a consequence the idea of
internality and externality - must be abandoned

if there is no internality - then there is no externality

if there is no inside there is no outside - no surface

so where are you going to place your ideas or your stones?