'But the belief in change, as I found just now,
asserts that before this intuition of change arose
the first term of that change had occurred separately.
This no intuition can prove.'
the argument here is that - the fact precedes
the intuition of it - but the intuition of it -
is the knowledge of it - and the intuition can
only know what it is of - not what it was
of - therefore there can be no knowledge of change
or experience can only know what is before it -
so how can you have an experience of
change - based on the intuition (of experience)
so - experience is no basis for belief here -
if there is to be a belief in change - intuition -
or experience - (as Santayana understands it here) -
will not provide that basis -
yes
what we have here is an argument against the view
that experience provides us with knowledge of the world -
in particular - here of the world as change -
or change in the world -
the idea of experience here is both weak and strong
strong in that it suggests that one's intuition -
immediate experience - gives us knowledge -
this idea of immediate experience is powerful -
it packs a lot into it - everything in fact
it's a weak notion of experience in that it is so primitive -
it suggests experience is justdata - points hitting the screen
my own view is that we need to step back from such naive
empiricism
and understand - at the start - that what we call experience
and its relation to the question of knowledge is not like
waiting for the pizza guy to deliver the pizza
this seems to be the traditional empiricist view
but we need to understand here - the question of the nature -
and epistemological status of experience - to begin with -
is an open question
I think the empiricist view is helpful as a start
to the argument - what is experience - what is knowledge?
now it's only when you ask this question - that you have
doubts about the pizza
problems of time and space - existence and non-existence -
only emerge on reflection
my sense of time - of change
is not the same deal as any reflection on that sense
and here - really - it's not time or change that's at issue -
the question for Santayana is knowledge
and we might say - well - if you are going to go with
a naive empiricism - there are consequences - it is a
theory that doesn't account for our lived experience
at least this
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31.8.05
know thyself
the self is an ideal category - a necessary construction
it is the ground of identity
on which is based - conceptions - which are not necessary
- purely contingent
the concept of self - the pure transcendental concept -
is thus - not of any self - per se (but of all selves) -
in this sense we can regard the self as an objective reality -
certainly psychology takes this view
my conceptions of myself - can only be understood -
in terms of my experience and history - I can make this
known to others - but it is not their experience
and these contingent conceptions - will not deliver
definitive knowledge - of the self - only of the experience
of the self
the self - here mentioned is - on this view without content -
and in that sense not
known
or rather we know 'that' - but not 'what'
and I take it from this that the concept of the self is -
the ground of possibility - possible experience - possible
knowledge
and so it seems the way to regard oneself finally is not
as the end of actuality - but as the ground of possibility -
beyond this the self is a pure emptiness
p.s.
the self a necessary construction?
I think it's like this -
we can speak of - as it were begin with - non-reflective
consciousness - simply 'looking out'
on reflection - the self is determined -
found in consciousness
and with this - the understanding of its necessity -
it was always there - it could not be otherwise
so there is no actual construction - more like an initial
revelation
we speak of - perhaps think of the self as an object
really it is consciousness aware of itself - the fact of itself
in the world and inside the world
it is the ground of identity
on which is based - conceptions - which are not necessary
- purely contingent
the concept of self - the pure transcendental concept -
is thus - not of any self - per se (but of all selves) -
in this sense we can regard the self as an objective reality -
certainly psychology takes this view
my conceptions of myself - can only be understood -
in terms of my experience and history - I can make this
known to others - but it is not their experience
and these contingent conceptions - will not deliver
definitive knowledge - of the self - only of the experience
of the self
the self - here mentioned is - on this view without content -
and in that sense not
known
or rather we know 'that' - but not 'what'
and I take it from this that the concept of the self is -
the ground of possibility - possible experience - possible
knowledge
and so it seems the way to regard oneself finally is not
as the end of actuality - but as the ground of possibility -
beyond this the self is a pure emptiness
p.s.
the self a necessary construction?
I think it's like this -
we can speak of - as it were begin with - non-reflective
consciousness - simply 'looking out'
on reflection - the self is determined -
found in consciousness
and with this - the understanding of its necessity -
it was always there - it could not be otherwise
so there is no actual construction - more like an initial
revelation
we speak of - perhaps think of the self as an object
really it is consciousness aware of itself - the fact of itself
in the world and inside the world
30.8.05
clear vision
there is no pure position to reach - to operate from
there is only 'here' - this never changes -
you can't get out of it
we manufacture - create - conceptions
to organize from - to think from -
to assist in clear vision
(a position we never or always achieve -
it's just a matter of convention)
we have things to do and we need ways to do them -
lines of direction
there is no choice here - it is necessary
every action is a thought or thinking made public
we cannot understand action outside of thought
and we create conceptual schemes for our activity
be they tribal myths or the cutting edge theories
of modern science - or for that matter any other scheme -
on any other
day
and philosophy is just this - conceiving
it is conceptual activity and it springs from -
the haunting of - and the gut feeling of -
scepticism - of not-knowing
if we were certain we would have no reason to think -
or for the matter of that - anything to think about
we can go two ways here
defy this intuition or run with it
the history of western philosophy has really been -
the attempt at the former -
and a joyous celebration of madness it is too
there is only 'here' - this never changes -
you can't get out of it
we manufacture - create - conceptions
to organize from - to think from -
to assist in clear vision
(a position we never or always achieve -
it's just a matter of convention)
we have things to do and we need ways to do them -
lines of direction
there is no choice here - it is necessary
every action is a thought or thinking made public
we cannot understand action outside of thought
and we create conceptual schemes for our activity
be they tribal myths or the cutting edge theories
of modern science - or for that matter any other scheme -
on any other
day
and philosophy is just this - conceiving
it is conceptual activity and it springs from -
the haunting of - and the gut feeling of -
scepticism - of not-knowing
if we were certain we would have no reason to think -
or for the matter of that - anything to think about
we can go two ways here
defy this intuition or run with it
the history of western philosophy has really been -
the attempt at the former -
and a joyous celebration of madness it is too
radical scepticism
the idea of what is -
we begin with what we observe
that which is object - to our subject
it is clear isn't it that subjectivity is thus
a reflection - back from or out of the objective
this reflection reveals mind - consciousness -
the internal
(and could you say - reveals mind as self-conscious?)
this revelation is in a sense - the objectivity of
consciousness - of subjectivity
consciousness is not observable
(is it any less objective?)
anyway -
it is clear that the objective is but one dimension
of the understanding -
of what is
and beyond this?
the unknown
what is - as undefined
so objective / subjective ways of approaching the unknown
this is not arbitrary - at this level -
categories have a hard significance to them
we begin - and we do well to begin with these notions
what becomes of such understandings is an open question
it's a matter of hitting the boards - so to speak
and so
mind and matter - posits of the understanding
and the understanding in itself - a logical space -
a pure emptiness
no ontology - no epistemology
a place with no permanent residents
some long term renters
and the odd transient
we begin with what we observe
that which is object - to our subject
it is clear isn't it that subjectivity is thus
a reflection - back from or out of the objective
this reflection reveals mind - consciousness -
the internal
(and could you say - reveals mind as self-conscious?)
this revelation is in a sense - the objectivity of
consciousness - of subjectivity
consciousness is not observable
(is it any less objective?)
anyway -
it is clear that the objective is but one dimension
of the understanding -
of what is
and beyond this?
the unknown
what is - as undefined
so objective / subjective ways of approaching the unknown
this is not arbitrary - at this level -
categories have a hard significance to them
we begin - and we do well to begin with these notions
what becomes of such understandings is an open question
it's a matter of hitting the boards - so to speak
and so
mind and matter - posits of the understanding
and the understanding in itself - a logical space -
a pure emptiness
no ontology - no epistemology
a place with no permanent residents
some long term renters
and the odd transient
29.8.05
personal identity IV
the way to regard oneself conceptually and in practice -
is as a logical space
a place for possible ontologies
epistemology - is a matter of decision - within an
ontological context
in the 'initial state' - there is no knowledge
existence precedes knowing
we begin in a world already furnished - but not known
('touched')
knowledge begins with movement
(it is only ever this
action - its expression in the world
knowing made public)
there is no reason beyond all reasons
reason is necessity before its action
be still
is as a logical space
a place for possible ontologies
epistemology - is a matter of decision - within an
ontological context
in the 'initial state' - there is no knowledge
existence precedes knowing
we begin in a world already furnished - but not known
('touched')
knowledge begins with movement
(it is only ever this
action - its expression in the world
knowing made public)
there is no reason beyond all reasons
reason is necessity before its action
be still
28.8.05
personal identity III
now just a word on Socrates and the ideal of
'know thyself' -
yes - the point is clear - so long as you understand
that such a quest does not find gold
the fact of an individual entails multiplicity -
multiplicity of selves
or to be more precise - conceptions of self
it is not hard to understand why movement in
space / time - from birth to death covers
a lot of ground -
there is no stopping
and with this a myriad of experience
definition is a constant constraint
but never fool proof
what I am - how I conceive - one day -
is not what I am another
the attempt to deny the multiplicity is
perfectly natural
but never successful
and if this fact is not appreciated
can lead to insanity
just as the absence of definition - or the throwing
away of constraint - or more likely - the actual inability
to make constraint - definition - has the same result
so -
go with the flow
some will say
yes
the point is though that such a conception -
of the self - while it might appear to
accord with the meta reality - of fluidity -
is but one of an infinite number of possible
conceptions of the self - normative conceptions -
which are subject to the flux of
consciousness - the flux of reality
my point is - in general -
Socrates was a methodological sceptic - and primarily -
his scepticism was negative - he offered no positive
position
I am here suggesting an alternative to this
scepticism as primarily a substantive position -
that is a positive position
in this connection my argument is we don't know the self -
in any definitive sense
we can speak of conceptions of the self - attempts -
if you like to give - the self - content - but this is all
that is possible
the self if you like is the place of conception
the self - in itself - a logical space -
content is what we give it
(tertiary conceptions of self)
not what it gives us
finally the self is in an absolute sense free (of content)
it comes as an emptiness (an empty category) to the world
and so remains
despite all the thrashing about
rest in this emptiness
'know thyself' -
yes - the point is clear - so long as you understand
that such a quest does not find gold
the fact of an individual entails multiplicity -
multiplicity of selves
or to be more precise - conceptions of self
it is not hard to understand why movement in
space / time - from birth to death covers
a lot of ground -
there is no stopping
and with this a myriad of experience
definition is a constant constraint
but never fool proof
what I am - how I conceive - one day -
is not what I am another
the attempt to deny the multiplicity is
perfectly natural
but never successful
and if this fact is not appreciated
can lead to insanity
just as the absence of definition - or the throwing
away of constraint - or more likely - the actual inability
to make constraint - definition - has the same result
so -
go with the flow
some will say
yes
the point is though that such a conception -
of the self - while it might appear to
accord with the meta reality - of fluidity -
is but one of an infinite number of possible
conceptions of the self - normative conceptions -
which are subject to the flux of
consciousness - the flux of reality
my point is - in general -
Socrates was a methodological sceptic - and primarily -
his scepticism was negative - he offered no positive
position
I am here suggesting an alternative to this
scepticism as primarily a substantive position -
that is a positive position
in this connection my argument is we don't know the self -
in any definitive sense
we can speak of conceptions of the self - attempts -
if you like to give - the self - content - but this is all
that is possible
the self if you like is the place of conception
the self - in itself - a logical space -
content is what we give it
(tertiary conceptions of self)
not what it gives us
finally the self is in an absolute sense free (of content)
it comes as an emptiness (an empty category) to the world
and so remains
despite all the thrashing about
rest in this emptiness
27.8.05
personal identity II
let's get straight to it
the 'self' is best seen as a construct of
consciousness
it is, if you like, - 'objectively speaking'
(of the point of view of a taxonomist) - necessary -
for the basic function of consciousness
it is a parameter
that on the one hand defines the world - 'not self'
also - it posits 'place' - in the space of consciousness
the 'self' is a place
a place of focus
- of and for consciousness
the self - is a necessary point
can we imagine consciousness without this posit -
perhaps -
it would be by definition - undefined
(it would not know itself - or the world -
there could be no relation between the two
it would simply be another feature of the world -
of the landscape -
I can't see in what sense it would be 'observable'
the idea seems nonsensical
and is thus
and argument by default to the view that -
all consciousness - must be self conscious -
if so then
the positing of self - is but the fact of consciousness
anyway
the 'self' as I am presenting it - is - a logical space
the characteristic of its 'content' I will suggest is -
fluidity
we are talking here of conceptions -
conceptions - descriptions - of who I am
this is finally a very particular matter
particular - though -within certain contingent -
'universal' states of being
here is where the whole weight of science bears down
I cannot be anything - have concepts - descriptions
that are not of my nature
my nature - though not fixed - in any sense -
is defined by 'given' regularities - regularities that
may not persist - in any necessary sense - but have a
contingent stability
so this if you like - the second level of self
the next level - I call personal
conceptions of myself that have sense only given the
history of myself -
they may have logical characteristics similar to others -
(must have) - but are particular to my existence is
space / time - a unique 'event'
but even at this level - there is no 'fixity'
the characteristic - yet again is fluidity
the 'self' is best seen as a construct of
consciousness
it is, if you like, - 'objectively speaking'
(of the point of view of a taxonomist) - necessary -
for the basic function of consciousness
it is a parameter
that on the one hand defines the world - 'not self'
also - it posits 'place' - in the space of consciousness
the 'self' is a place
a place of focus
- of and for consciousness
the self - is a necessary point
can we imagine consciousness without this posit -
perhaps -
it would be by definition - undefined
(it would not know itself - or the world -
there could be no relation between the two
it would simply be another feature of the world -
of the landscape -
I can't see in what sense it would be 'observable'
the idea seems nonsensical
and is thus
and argument by default to the view that -
all consciousness - must be self conscious -
if so then
the positing of self - is but the fact of consciousness
anyway
the 'self' as I am presenting it - is - a logical space
the characteristic of its 'content' I will suggest is -
fluidity
we are talking here of conceptions -
conceptions - descriptions - of who I am
this is finally a very particular matter
particular - though -within certain contingent -
'universal' states of being
here is where the whole weight of science bears down
I cannot be anything - have concepts - descriptions
that are not of my nature
my nature - though not fixed - in any sense -
is defined by 'given' regularities - regularities that
may not persist - in any necessary sense - but have a
contingent stability
so this if you like - the second level of self
the next level - I call personal
conceptions of myself that have sense only given the
history of myself -
they may have logical characteristics similar to others -
(must have) - but are particular to my existence is
space / time - a unique 'event'
but even at this level - there is no 'fixity'
the characteristic - yet again is fluidity
25.8.05
personal identity
personal identity
is the fact of self-consciousness
we can say 'I am here'
and 'here' - the space of me - me in space
is a given
a given - overwritten by time
so space provides us with a sense of place
and we are always 'in place'
time
is the denial of place
a denial we do not sense
one though - we know on reflection
(we are always on reflection - 'out of time')
hence
at the centre of consciousness
the paradox
I am / I am not
any description I make of myself will entail this paradox
it is the paradox of space and time
space is negated by time
'here' - is gone in the moment of it's acknowledgment -
from the point of view of time we are left with the illusion
of space (place)
time negated by space
my sense of place overrides the passing of time -
place is eternal - hence time the illusion
consciousness - awareness
transcends this paradox
my awareness of myself
my sense of self
is an ideal posit
of consciousness
a function if you like that - stands apart from its
reflections and analyses - in this case - a meta
reflection and analysis - of space and time
is the fact of self-consciousness
we can say 'I am here'
and 'here' - the space of me - me in space
is a given
a given - overwritten by time
so space provides us with a sense of place
and we are always 'in place'
time
is the denial of place
a denial we do not sense
one though - we know on reflection
(we are always on reflection - 'out of time')
hence
at the centre of consciousness
the paradox
I am / I am not
any description I make of myself will entail this paradox
it is the paradox of space and time
space is negated by time
'here' - is gone in the moment of it's acknowledgment -
from the point of view of time we are left with the illusion
of space (place)
time negated by space
my sense of place overrides the passing of time -
place is eternal - hence time the illusion
consciousness - awareness
transcends this paradox
my awareness of myself
my sense of self
is an ideal posit
of consciousness
a function if you like that - stands apart from its
reflections and analyses - in this case - a meta
reflection and analysis - of space and time
philosophical investigation
philosophical investigation is but another form
of objectification
anything created requires a number of skills
a range of artisans
philosophy can be useful in what role?
perhaps this
if you are concerned to have an idea - a concept
explicated
the philosopher will be of use
and also - how does such a concept fit in the
great puzzle?
philosophers are (needed?) of use here
not to say that a physicist or historian couldn't
step up to the plate
so what is the distinction in the philosophical
perspective?
philosophy is essentially a conceptual study
the philosopher is of most interest when he/she provides
conceptual options
different ways of understanding - something - anything -
the world -
the detailed working out of one perspective is a good thing
to do - but such is a 'closed system' approach
generally based on the idea that there is but one true view
of reality
look, let's not get too upset here - it can be a fun activity
and perhaps you need to think you are on the right track to
engage in such
but understanding different uses of concepts - different ways of
seeing - is the philosopher' expertise and gift
I am not convinced though that it is a peculiar gift - the best
science does just this - and too - in the world of art
what is distinctive regarding the philosopher's perspective
the kind of analysis?
the fact that it is conceptual
finally - about ways of understanding knowledge
o.k
but if so
what is its 'own' knowledge?
is there such a thing?
yes
again - e.g. - Plato's theory of Forms
the point is
such concepts
such perspectives
are really logically no different to the concepts and
perspectives of any inquiry
just - different ways and contexts of thinking
perhaps it is just that philosophy is an esoteric game
the object of the game - 'a unitary theory of understanding'
this of course - is never achieved - the players knows this
at the start - but the playing - on this premise - can be
very productive - very creative
of objectification
anything created requires a number of skills
a range of artisans
philosophy can be useful in what role?
perhaps this
if you are concerned to have an idea - a concept
explicated
the philosopher will be of use
and also - how does such a concept fit in the
great puzzle?
philosophers are (needed?) of use here
not to say that a physicist or historian couldn't
step up to the plate
so what is the distinction in the philosophical
perspective?
philosophy is essentially a conceptual study
the philosopher is of most interest when he/she provides
conceptual options
different ways of understanding - something - anything -
the world -
the detailed working out of one perspective is a good thing
to do - but such is a 'closed system' approach
generally based on the idea that there is but one true view
of reality
look, let's not get too upset here - it can be a fun activity
and perhaps you need to think you are on the right track to
engage in such
but understanding different uses of concepts - different ways of
seeing - is the philosopher' expertise and gift
I am not convinced though that it is a peculiar gift - the best
science does just this - and too - in the world of art
what is distinctive regarding the philosopher's perspective
the kind of analysis?
the fact that it is conceptual
finally - about ways of understanding knowledge
o.k
but if so
what is its 'own' knowledge?
is there such a thing?
yes
again - e.g. - Plato's theory of Forms
the point is
such concepts
such perspectives
are really logically no different to the concepts and
perspectives of any inquiry
just - different ways and contexts of thinking
perhaps it is just that philosophy is an esoteric game
the object of the game - 'a unitary theory of understanding'
this of course - is never achieved - the players knows this
at the start - but the playing - on this premise - can be
very productive - very creative
perspectives
problems surface -
in whatever area -
we bring perspectives to these issues
these perspectives - have a history of use
and application
they fulfill certain needs
in general the logic I think is this
think of reality - as an undefined objectivity
consciousness sees it this way
and in the process of knowing
within this primary - if you like - objectivity
secondary objectivities are created
new foci if you like
such would be when i.e. - someone asks a scientific-
causal question - and in doing creates a perspective
- i.e. - a class of entities is separated out (in his
perspective) and regarded as the focus of thought -
the object of the perspective
such is an object of thought - and within these
secondary objects - questions - further questions
can be - are raised
new objects are created
an object here is just a matter of logic - it is
logical focus - the separating out - conceptually of x -
from it's context its domain
the question of ontology
the status of the object - is both a before and after issue
sure we begin with ontologies - but reflection and the
need for further objectification suspends the issue
in whatever area -
we bring perspectives to these issues
these perspectives - have a history of use
and application
they fulfill certain needs
in general the logic I think is this
think of reality - as an undefined objectivity
consciousness sees it this way
and in the process of knowing
within this primary - if you like - objectivity
secondary objectivities are created
new foci if you like
such would be when i.e. - someone asks a scientific-
causal question - and in doing creates a perspective
- i.e. - a class of entities is separated out (in his
perspective) and regarded as the focus of thought -
the object of the perspective
such is an object of thought - and within these
secondary objects - questions - further questions
can be - are raised
new objects are created
an object here is just a matter of logic - it is
logical focus - the separating out - conceptually of x -
from it's context its domain
the question of ontology
the status of the object - is both a before and after issue
sure we begin with ontologies - but reflection and the
need for further objectification suspends the issue
philosophical theories
yes
how to view philosophical theories - their status
their relationship to the theories that become their
subjects
there is the idea beginning with Plato - that such theories
- that philosophy is the queen of the sciences
i.e. - more fundamental theory - or level of theory
putting aside - for the moment - the question of the logic
of this - what it means for one theory to gobble up another -
we can begin by asking e.g. - Plato's theory of forms -
why should we - why do we regard such a conception as more
fundamental - than say biology - or zoology?
what I have in mind in general here - is the status of
philosophical theory
is philosophical language - just another peculiar language
or set of languages -
outgrowths of ordinary language?
so what are philosophers doing when they elucidate
a concept?
clearly - it's a sharp focus - and the revelation of
'space' - in an area of discourse that presents as 'closed'
but the doing of this is just another form of reflecting
I want to suggest here the philosopher is just another
worker in the vineyard - he is not the wine maker
(there is no wine maker?
perhaps this has implications for theology?
no God - rather creation a work in progress -
never began - always beginning
and the idea that all facets of reality are involved
in its realization
at whatever time and place
no central point of origin
everything is the origin
but to understand this you would have to give up the
idea of nothing or non-existence
- well you can't have everything - or is it quite
the opposite?)
how to view philosophical theories - their status
their relationship to the theories that become their
subjects
there is the idea beginning with Plato - that such theories
- that philosophy is the queen of the sciences
i.e. - more fundamental theory - or level of theory
putting aside - for the moment - the question of the logic
of this - what it means for one theory to gobble up another -
we can begin by asking e.g. - Plato's theory of forms -
why should we - why do we regard such a conception as more
fundamental - than say biology - or zoology?
what I have in mind in general here - is the status of
philosophical theory
is philosophical language - just another peculiar language
or set of languages -
outgrowths of ordinary language?
so what are philosophers doing when they elucidate
a concept?
clearly - it's a sharp focus - and the revelation of
'space' - in an area of discourse that presents as 'closed'
but the doing of this is just another form of reflecting
I want to suggest here the philosopher is just another
worker in the vineyard - he is not the wine maker
(there is no wine maker?
perhaps this has implications for theology?
no God - rather creation a work in progress -
never began - always beginning
and the idea that all facets of reality are involved
in its realization
at whatever time and place
no central point of origin
everything is the origin
but to understand this you would have to give up the
idea of nothing or non-existence
- well you can't have everything - or is it quite
the opposite?)
24.8.05
a theory of language
it must be understood any theory of language
comes from within
it is language within language about language
what is this?
how can it be that - a theory of language is about language?
to be blunt
it's makes no sense to suggest language can define itself
language - is space
you can use regions to identify regions
you can create a perspective to look at a particular domain -
and this domain you have to first define - separate out -
one way of looking at it is to say we operate with many
languages -
what is the relationship between these languages?
is there an hierarchical relationship from natural to
abstract - different levels - different languages?
or perhaps
simply language -
different regions different populations?
or indeed
language - forever being made (remade)
with no overriding logic
but that which we imagine from the inside
language as - indefinable -
but this needs to be looked at
reflection never leaves language
never looks at - from the outside
it posits the object - (in this case) language -
from the inside -
imagines if you like - looking from the outside -
this is - though - strictly speaking - pretending
the impossible
except for this -
we do it
we must understand it as a fact of consciousness
consciousness - quite simply creates - objectivity -
within itself
this is all objectivity is
- the fact of reflection
realities follow
and yes - you say - on what do you base this on?
reflection?
indeed
beyond reflection?
outside reflection -
nothing to be known
end of discourse
go back
you begin at the beginning at the absence of -
the suspension of - thought
the world begins
with the next thought
always we are between the world and its absence
thought is our continuous creation
comes from within
it is language within language about language
what is this?
how can it be that - a theory of language is about language?
to be blunt
it's makes no sense to suggest language can define itself
language - is space
you can use regions to identify regions
you can create a perspective to look at a particular domain -
and this domain you have to first define - separate out -
one way of looking at it is to say we operate with many
languages -
what is the relationship between these languages?
is there an hierarchical relationship from natural to
abstract - different levels - different languages?
or perhaps
simply language -
different regions different populations?
or indeed
language - forever being made (remade)
with no overriding logic
but that which we imagine from the inside
language as - indefinable -
but this needs to be looked at
reflection never leaves language
never looks at - from the outside
it posits the object - (in this case) language -
from the inside -
imagines if you like - looking from the outside -
this is - though - strictly speaking - pretending
the impossible
except for this -
we do it
we must understand it as a fact of consciousness
consciousness - quite simply creates - objectivity -
within itself
this is all objectivity is
- the fact of reflection
realities follow
and yes - you say - on what do you base this on?
reflection?
indeed
beyond reflection?
outside reflection -
nothing to be known
end of discourse
go back
you begin at the beginning at the absence of -
the suspension of - thought
the world begins
with the next thought
always we are between the world and its absence
thought is our continuous creation
J. L. Austin
Austin -
thoughts around 'A plea for excuses'
excuses?
a reason given when asked for - called for -
demanded by the context
is there any definitive description of any action?
and if so what is the logic of this?
language may appear from some perspective to be
its standard - but this is to objectify it -
to make it so
it is to separate it out as an object of study
we could ask - why does this happen?
in short it happens because language is no fixed
set of meanings
what I mean when I say - X is a - you may question -
and argue for different understanding of - X
meaning here is a focus -
strictly speaking - meaning - is an empty form -
language moves through
it is circumstance that halts the flow
stops - on the journey
so here meaning is an ideal - language approximates -
reaches for -
language is the worker
meaning is unreachable in any necessary sense
this is not a failure
this is the reality
the strength
this view of language is a consequence of objectifying
language - and further objectifying meaning
we don't need to regard this as anything other than
what it is - reflection on phenomena
certain questions can lead to this kind of inquiry
this is not ordinary language
this is reflection on - analysis of - issues that ordinary
language has no interest in
what we are dealing with is extraordinary language
it is that dimension of thought and language that is
particular to an extraordinary discourse
what I am suggesting is both a meta and normative
analysis here
ordinary language is just what it is
if you start questioning meaning and this leads to
the objectification of language - and to the concept
of meaning - what I say you are doing is looking for
a meta language
for ordinary language
and normatively - what I mean is - the concept of
meaning is an ideal - empty of content -
here we can go in a number of ways: -
- we can say there is no meaning as such
- everything is meaningful (no meaninglessness)
- the issue has nothing to do with (the actual)
meaning of language usage
so the questions of the nature of language and meaning
are not to do with what goes on - what happens
it's about placing language in a theoretical context
it's about creating a background picture - a backdrop -
for the play of language
philosophical theatre?
the great value of an ordinary language view - at least
this is the idea - is the beauty of - the clarity of -
action and reaction in empty space -
thoughts around 'A plea for excuses'
excuses?
a reason given when asked for - called for -
demanded by the context
is there any definitive description of any action?
and if so what is the logic of this?
language may appear from some perspective to be
its standard - but this is to objectify it -
to make it so
it is to separate it out as an object of study
we could ask - why does this happen?
in short it happens because language is no fixed
set of meanings
what I mean when I say - X is a - you may question -
and argue for different understanding of - X
meaning here is a focus -
strictly speaking - meaning - is an empty form -
language moves through
it is circumstance that halts the flow
stops - on the journey
so here meaning is an ideal - language approximates -
reaches for -
language is the worker
meaning is unreachable in any necessary sense
this is not a failure
this is the reality
the strength
this view of language is a consequence of objectifying
language - and further objectifying meaning
we don't need to regard this as anything other than
what it is - reflection on phenomena
certain questions can lead to this kind of inquiry
this is not ordinary language
this is reflection on - analysis of - issues that ordinary
language has no interest in
what we are dealing with is extraordinary language
it is that dimension of thought and language that is
particular to an extraordinary discourse
what I am suggesting is both a meta and normative
analysis here
ordinary language is just what it is
if you start questioning meaning and this leads to
the objectification of language - and to the concept
of meaning - what I say you are doing is looking for
a meta language
for ordinary language
and normatively - what I mean is - the concept of
meaning is an ideal - empty of content -
here we can go in a number of ways: -
- we can say there is no meaning as such
- everything is meaningful (no meaninglessness)
- the issue has nothing to do with (the actual)
meaning of language usage
so the questions of the nature of language and meaning
are not to do with what goes on - what happens
it's about placing language in a theoretical context
it's about creating a background picture - a backdrop -
for the play of language
philosophical theatre?
the great value of an ordinary language view - at least
this is the idea - is the beauty of - the clarity of -
action and reaction in empty space -
19.8.05
describing
what we are aware of in an initial sense - we learn soon can be -
must be variously
described
the language - N - we develop - only has content - in terms
of a meta language the language we use to define it - let us call it N1
N1 is the meta language - and it too requires definition -
hence a meta-meta language - N2
in principle - there is no end to this
a language is defined - has meaning - only in terms of -
a meta language
so you might say - it is an infinite explosion of language -
a vortex of languages
and what is it all based on - where is the meaning?
the thing is - it is based on nothing -
but consciousness reflecting - and reflecting on its reflections -
any one of these reflections can issue forth a complete ontology
a complete statement of what is - and how it is -
even how it is known
we begin with language and reflect upon it
your choice of language - is not like - will I have another cup
of coffee or not?
you come into a ready made world -
wherever you are
i.e. - in a primitive aboriginal tribe -
or middle class Australia
you have something to work with
there was always something to work with
your decisions about what you believe
and how you think
are questions of ontology - definition - meta language
and it's not as if you are sucked into an infinite regress or digress -
we make decisions - about when and where to stop -
and what to stop with
these decisions are not fanciful - or for that matter intellectual -
they came as hard won imperatives of action - of the market place
they have dirt in them
they are made in necessity - the necessity of contingency
(and these decisions can have reasons - reasons as complex
as any metaphysical system if you want to track 'em down)
logicians - abstract and quarantine
we humans work - operate as scavengers in a tip
natural language is no one consistent - clear ontology
if you want that - you could look to mathematics
natural language is a mongrel - a hybrid
consistency is generally not the issue -
need - is more to point - and need - usually in an immediate sense
you have to go to an event - you are in a hurry - you need to
dress and you don't have time to think - you grab this article
of clothing - that article - in short throw yourself together -
of course it's not perfect and you have second thoughts as you
walk out the door - but the main thing is you are on your way
must be variously
described
the language - N - we develop - only has content - in terms
of a meta language the language we use to define it - let us call it N1
N1 is the meta language - and it too requires definition -
hence a meta-meta language - N2
in principle - there is no end to this
a language is defined - has meaning - only in terms of -
a meta language
so you might say - it is an infinite explosion of language -
a vortex of languages
and what is it all based on - where is the meaning?
the thing is - it is based on nothing -
but consciousness reflecting - and reflecting on its reflections -
any one of these reflections can issue forth a complete ontology
a complete statement of what is - and how it is -
even how it is known
we begin with language and reflect upon it
your choice of language - is not like - will I have another cup
of coffee or not?
you come into a ready made world -
wherever you are
i.e. - in a primitive aboriginal tribe -
or middle class Australia
you have something to work with
there was always something to work with
your decisions about what you believe
and how you think
are questions of ontology - definition - meta language
and it's not as if you are sucked into an infinite regress or digress -
we make decisions - about when and where to stop -
and what to stop with
these decisions are not fanciful - or for that matter intellectual -
they came as hard won imperatives of action - of the market place
they have dirt in them
they are made in necessity - the necessity of contingency
(and these decisions can have reasons - reasons as complex
as any metaphysical system if you want to track 'em down)
logicians - abstract and quarantine
we humans work - operate as scavengers in a tip
natural language is no one consistent - clear ontology
if you want that - you could look to mathematics
natural language is a mongrel - a hybrid
consistency is generally not the issue -
need - is more to point - and need - usually in an immediate sense
you have to go to an event - you are in a hurry - you need to
dress and you don't have time to think - you grab this article
of clothing - that article - in short throw yourself together -
of course it's not perfect and you have second thoughts as you
walk out the door - but the main thing is you are on your way
the beginning
I said before 'we begin with what is'
we need to be clear here -
there is no knowledge - before knowledge
knowledge - or some basic platform of it and for it -
is the beginning
so the statement 'we begin with what is'
is fair enough but not strictly accurate
it comes - it is made or can be made -
only after the fact - on reflection
it is to say we can only make such a statement -
post awareness
and such a statement is existential
which is to say - pretty crudely - awareness -
consciousness - precedes any existential statement
you might ask here - are you saying awareness -
precedes existence?
it's a question of what you can know
the knowing - as it were sheds light on existence
we can then reflect - a double tracking - a reflexing -
to a view that existence precedes consciousness
but it is only in the moment of consciousness
that existence - can be stated
consciousness - is we discover (again on reflection) -
always - of -
and this 'of' - is existence -
self-consciousness is essential here for it gives
place to consciousness per se
so I am - conscious of (existence) - and I am aware
of the bound nature of this consciousness - what is
beyond is (relative to consciousness - my consciousness) -
boundless
and this is to say - 'I may well exist' -
but my knowing this - is premised on - and
entails - greater existence - of which I am
apart of - and a light to
if you were to try to explain to someone -
what all this means - this knowing - and the fact that
existence is both a function of knowing - and then -
it's ground - that there is no contradiction here -
that it has to be this way -
you would be best to set them the task of building
a house from the inside
the action of building - is what makes the house -
once made - you can step outside and see it for what
it is - and you can see that the action of building
is not the house - but what revealed the house -
and the house stands as a testament to the act of
building
we need to be clear here -
there is no knowledge - before knowledge
knowledge - or some basic platform of it and for it -
is the beginning
so the statement 'we begin with what is'
is fair enough but not strictly accurate
it comes - it is made or can be made -
only after the fact - on reflection
it is to say we can only make such a statement -
post awareness
and such a statement is existential
which is to say - pretty crudely - awareness -
consciousness - precedes any existential statement
you might ask here - are you saying awareness -
precedes existence?
it's a question of what you can know
the knowing - as it were sheds light on existence
we can then reflect - a double tracking - a reflexing -
to a view that existence precedes consciousness
but it is only in the moment of consciousness
that existence - can be stated
consciousness - is we discover (again on reflection) -
always - of -
and this 'of' - is existence -
self-consciousness is essential here for it gives
place to consciousness per se
so I am - conscious of (existence) - and I am aware
of the bound nature of this consciousness - what is
beyond is (relative to consciousness - my consciousness) -
boundless
and this is to say - 'I may well exist' -
but my knowing this - is premised on - and
entails - greater existence - of which I am
apart of - and a light to
if you were to try to explain to someone -
what all this means - this knowing - and the fact that
existence is both a function of knowing - and then -
it's ground - that there is no contradiction here -
that it has to be this way -
you would be best to set them the task of building
a house from the inside
the action of building - is what makes the house -
once made - you can step outside and see it for what
it is - and you can see that the action of building
is not the house - but what revealed the house -
and the house stands as a testament to the act of
building
where we begin
we begin
with what is
this may appear (on reflection) to be something or
everything but it is to say nothing
we start that is in the unknown (as an unknown)
knowledge
is what happens at the beginning
we know because we see
and we see that we see
hence we know that we know
anything beyond this basis is construction - description -
analysis -
this basis has no foundation -
and doubt of this basis
has no foundation
there is no foundation
you find yourself somewhere and you go from there
with what is
this may appear (on reflection) to be something or
everything but it is to say nothing
we start that is in the unknown (as an unknown)
knowledge
is what happens at the beginning
we know because we see
and we see that we see
hence we know that we know
anything beyond this basis is construction - description -
analysis -
this basis has no foundation -
and doubt of this basis
has no foundation
there is no foundation
you find yourself somewhere and you go from there
18.8.05
Santayana IV (ix)
Santayana in doubts about self-consciousness
Santayana sees self-consciousness as 'animal experience'
- 'the product of two factors...body and environment....
These two natural conditions normally come together like
flint and steel, before the spark of experience will fly'
he then argues against transcendentalism - the view that
'the spark itself is my point of departure'
he goes on
'But the delusion becomes troublesome to the serious critic
of knowledge when it perhaps inclines him to imagine that,
in asserting that experience is a product and has two terms,
he is describing the inner nature of experience, and not
merely its externalconditions as natural history reports them'
just another point here -
external - objective conditions - relations between body
and environment will - have - existed - with or without a
conscious observer
now you might also want to call knowledge an objective
feature of the world
but knowledge requires a knower -
and between the knower and the known
is a relation
knowledge is only known - because of a knower
a knower is - only because - knowledge is known
the relationship is reflexive
hence - consciousness
and to understand this you do not have to posit
a transcendental ego
(no great drama if you do though)
Santayana sees self-consciousness as 'animal experience'
- 'the product of two factors...body and environment....
These two natural conditions normally come together like
flint and steel, before the spark of experience will fly'
he then argues against transcendentalism - the view that
'the spark itself is my point of departure'
he goes on
'But the delusion becomes troublesome to the serious critic
of knowledge when it perhaps inclines him to imagine that,
in asserting that experience is a product and has two terms,
he is describing the inner nature of experience, and not
merely its externalconditions as natural history reports them'
just another point here -
external - objective conditions - relations between body
and environment will - have - existed - with or without a
conscious observer
now you might also want to call knowledge an objective
feature of the world
but knowledge requires a knower -
and between the knower and the known
is a relation
knowledge is only known - because of a knower
a knower is - only because - knowledge is known
the relationship is reflexive
hence - consciousness
and to understand this you do not have to posit
a transcendental ego
(no great drama if you do though)
17.8.05
Santayana IV (viii)
'One thing is the feeling that something is happening,
an intuition which finds what it finds and cannot be made
to find anything else. Another thing is the belief that
what is found is a report or description of events that
have happened already, in such a manner that the earlier
phases of the flux I am aware of existed first, before
the later phases and without them; whereas in my intuition
now the earlier phases are merely the first part of the
given whole, exist only together with the later phases,
and are earlier only in a perspective, not in a flux of
successive events.'
we may have an intuition that something is happening
and an intuition that something has happened
Santayana's point is that - this - or these intuitions -
do not tell us - the nature of substance - or - the reality
of change - of time
one's sense of things - is no guide to the actuality
of things or events
'actual change if it is to be known at all, must be known
by belief and not by intuition'
belief - here - based on observation - of the objective
reality
OK
let us accept that to know objective reality - one must
look out - not in
observation presents a different picture to reflection
the same object known differently -
as a thing outside of consciousness
as an image - in consciousness -
different ways of seeing -
Santayana really sees transcendentalists as prisoners
of transcendentalism I mean once in - how to get out -
or does he just like imprisoning them - to show they
can't get out
?
anyway he says 'doubt is always possible regarding
the existence of actual change'
but his own work shows one can doubt - in fact one must
doubt one's intuitions - certainly if one wishes to operate
on the street
the thing is we can think beyond what we see out there -
what we know inside - we can as it were step outside of
the subject and the object
('and where are we' you ask? - 'the unknown' I say)
we can always step back
this is the essential feature of consciousness
it is not bound
my point is doubt is never out of the question
doubt is without condition
p.s.
I said above 'as an image - in consciousness'
the thing is 'image' here is but a description of what?
I think it's an example of an attempt to identify an
unknown with a name
and the name - is really a metaphor - a metaphor
for object
I think it's a translation of an observed entity -
to a reflected entity
or the attempt to give the reflection - an object
like meaning
and if you say well this is all a bit 'how's ya mother'
I would say yes - it is
and it's the way of it -
to understand the language of the inner life you need
to appreciate poetry
it's the language of poetry - metaphor
and yes - in this sense it is all very - non-objective
language is public
but we need to bring it home
welcome it inside
at the close of day
an intuition which finds what it finds and cannot be made
to find anything else. Another thing is the belief that
what is found is a report or description of events that
have happened already, in such a manner that the earlier
phases of the flux I am aware of existed first, before
the later phases and without them; whereas in my intuition
now the earlier phases are merely the first part of the
given whole, exist only together with the later phases,
and are earlier only in a perspective, not in a flux of
successive events.'
we may have an intuition that something is happening
and an intuition that something has happened
Santayana's point is that - this - or these intuitions -
do not tell us - the nature of substance - or - the reality
of change - of time
one's sense of things - is no guide to the actuality
of things or events
'actual change if it is to be known at all, must be known
by belief and not by intuition'
belief - here - based on observation - of the objective
reality
OK
let us accept that to know objective reality - one must
look out - not in
observation presents a different picture to reflection
the same object known differently -
as a thing outside of consciousness
as an image - in consciousness -
different ways of seeing -
Santayana really sees transcendentalists as prisoners
of transcendentalism I mean once in - how to get out -
or does he just like imprisoning them - to show they
can't get out
?
anyway he says 'doubt is always possible regarding
the existence of actual change'
but his own work shows one can doubt - in fact one must
doubt one's intuitions - certainly if one wishes to operate
on the street
the thing is we can think beyond what we see out there -
what we know inside - we can as it were step outside of
the subject and the object
('and where are we' you ask? - 'the unknown' I say)
we can always step back
this is the essential feature of consciousness
it is not bound
my point is doubt is never out of the question
doubt is without condition
p.s.
I said above 'as an image - in consciousness'
the thing is 'image' here is but a description of what?
I think it's an example of an attempt to identify an
unknown with a name
and the name - is really a metaphor - a metaphor
for object
I think it's a translation of an observed entity -
to a reflected entity
or the attempt to give the reflection - an object
like meaning
and if you say well this is all a bit 'how's ya mother'
I would say yes - it is
and it's the way of it -
to understand the language of the inner life you need
to appreciate poetry
it's the language of poetry - metaphor
and yes - in this sense it is all very - non-objective
language is public
but we need to bring it home
welcome it inside
at the close of day
Santayana IV (vii)
'One thing is the feeling that something is happening,
an intuition which finds what it finds and cannot be made
to find anything else'
the idea here is that in such an intuition - the view is
from the inside - (if there is a view) - i.e. - it sees
what it sees
look we can understand this -
but it's not a terminal position -
we are not just captives of our intuitions
consciousness is not exhausted by it's experience
far from it - beyond this basic level of conscious
behaviour - is the higher - or at least -
post-immediate level of - reflection
so what we experience may be one thing
how we regard this - what kind of place we give
it in our understanding - quite another
and this is the key to understanding scepticism -
the capacity to step back and look
and to step back again -
your back is never against the wall
now when Santayana says - 'it finds what it finds'
this is on the money
what it finds in a pure sense - is just so -
undefined - unknown
we of course always bring to experience all our
knowledge
but what we find is - for our purposes -
dependent on what we know
and so - is only as stable - clear or sure -
as our state of knowing
scepticism is - the conscious process of reflection -
without restraint
what consciousness finds - depends on - when it looks
an intuition which finds what it finds and cannot be made
to find anything else'
the idea here is that in such an intuition - the view is
from the inside - (if there is a view) - i.e. - it sees
what it sees
look we can understand this -
but it's not a terminal position -
we are not just captives of our intuitions
consciousness is not exhausted by it's experience
far from it - beyond this basic level of conscious
behaviour - is the higher - or at least -
post-immediate level of - reflection
so what we experience may be one thing
how we regard this - what kind of place we give
it in our understanding - quite another
and this is the key to understanding scepticism -
the capacity to step back and look
and to step back again -
your back is never against the wall
now when Santayana says - 'it finds what it finds'
this is on the money
what it finds in a pure sense - is just so -
undefined - unknown
we of course always bring to experience all our
knowledge
but what we find is - for our purposes -
dependent on what we know
and so - is only as stable - clear or sure -
as our state of knowing
scepticism is - the conscious process of reflection -
without restraint
what consciousness finds - depends on - when it looks
Santayana IV (vi)
'Anything given in intuition is, by definition, an
appearance and nothing but an appearance. Of course
if I am a thorough sceptic, I may discredit the
existence of anything else, so that the appearance
will stand in my philosophy as the only reality. But
then I must not enlarge nor interpret nor hypostatise
it: I must keep it as the mere picture it is, and
revert to solipsism of the present moment.'
the thing is there is scepticism and there is scepticism
there is the sceptical method employed by all critical
philosophers
and there is the sceptical stance - a much more radical
view of it all
the idea that we should suspend belief - per se
and this is not to say that such a sceptic cannot act -
or act with beliefs - it is rather to make the point that
any final commitment - epistemological or ontological is
not to be countenanced
it is a position of no final commitment
now it may be objected - is not such a view itself - a final
commitment?
and therefore self-contradictory -
leaving the windows open is not the same as shutting them
your choice here
is a choice of action regarding windows
the equivalence is at the level of choice
not at the level of action -
and
the extraordinary thing is just this -
the view is the same
appearance and nothing but an appearance. Of course
if I am a thorough sceptic, I may discredit the
existence of anything else, so that the appearance
will stand in my philosophy as the only reality. But
then I must not enlarge nor interpret nor hypostatise
it: I must keep it as the mere picture it is, and
revert to solipsism of the present moment.'
the thing is there is scepticism and there is scepticism
there is the sceptical method employed by all critical
philosophers
and there is the sceptical stance - a much more radical
view of it all
the idea that we should suspend belief - per se
and this is not to say that such a sceptic cannot act -
or act with beliefs - it is rather to make the point that
any final commitment - epistemological or ontological is
not to be countenanced
it is a position of no final commitment
now it may be objected - is not such a view itself - a final
commitment?
and therefore self-contradictory -
leaving the windows open is not the same as shutting them
your choice here
is a choice of action regarding windows
the equivalence is at the level of choice
not at the level of action -
and
the extraordinary thing is just this -
the view is the same
Santayana IV (v)
'Experience has no conditions for a critic of knowledge who
proceeds transcendentally, that is from the vantage of point
of experience itself.'
to argue this is of course ridiculous - experience is conditional -
just as that which is experienced is conditional - and that which
does the experiencing is conditional
I think the point is rather that we begin with experience -
and to know it - understand it - we at least place it in some
kind of ideational context
'To urge, therefore, that a self or ego is presupposed in
experience or even must have created experience by
absolute fiat, is curiously to fail in critical thinking, and to
renounce the transcendental method.........this backsliding
of transcendentalism...might have no serious consequences,
if transcendentalism were clearly recognized to be simply
a romantic episode in reflection, a sort of poetic madness
and no necessary step in the life of reason.....'
indeed a self or an ego - such terms are poetic - the inner
dimension of experience by definition is not susceptible to
objective - scientific account - the categories which come
with such analyses - are not applicable - and so we need
different categories - a different language to describe such
experience - and so - art - aesthetics is the language - the
'science' of the inner experience
consciousness stands dead centre (another poetic image)
- it can look out - it can look in - there is no one language
- there is the outer language and the inner language
this is not to say anything extraordinary
but it does point to the origin - the reason for art
and once this is appreciated - the lopsided view of the
objectivists (that there is only objective reality) is seen
for what it is - the product of stunted if not deformed growth
- and very sad
'But the delusion seems troublesome to the serious critic
of knowledge when it perhaps inclines him to imagine that,
in asserting that experience is a product, and has two terms,
he is describing the inner nature of experience and not
merely its external conditions, as natural history reports them.
He may then be tempted to assign a metaphysical status
and logical necessity to a merely material fact.'
It is not necessary to go off the edge here - it need not follow
because one recognizes an inner experience one is committed
to a metaphysical status and logical necessity
the inner experience - is contingent
this is what confuses the objectivists - they think - yes because -
it is in a state of flux it must - like the outside world be subject
to - objective analysis
the thing is - though not outside - yes it has some characteristics
of what is observable
how do you define a box?
is it - the external conditions - let us say it's wooden structure -
that defines it or is it 'the space inside'?
you see it all depends where - where - you are
you can't have one without the other
but you can mistake one for the other
it's a question - here of metaphysical geography
'Instead of the body, which is the true "subject" in experience,
he may think he finds an absolute ego, and instead of the natural
environment of the body, which is the true "object", he may think
he finds an illimitable reality; and to make things singular, he may
proceed to declare that these two are one: but this is a myth'
yes - we can forget about the absolute ego
and the body as subject - OK - so long as you understand -
the body - is not one dimensional - yes it is observable -
but it is also known from the inside -
the 'body' if you wish to use that term - and why not -
is philosophically speaking - two dimensional
scientifically speaking - only one dimensional
(and here - if anyone needed to know is the difference between
philosophy and science
science - is the useful with one task
philosophy - understands and surveys - looks at possible
responses to any one issue)
the natural environment - the true object?
the body - here - too is part of the natural environment
a human being is both subject and object
to speak of what this unity - amounts to
is indeed to get metaphysical
it is to go beyond - the realities of subjectivity and objectivity
you must go beyond these categories - if you are to explain them
and really this is where mysticism enters the story
and mysticism is I think just - poetry - thinking above its station
but nevertheless quite harmless in itself
it answers some need
my own response at this level - is to say beyond the subject and
object - we have no knowledge
you can reify - or romance this into 'the unknown'
as some mystics have
proceeds transcendentally, that is from the vantage of point
of experience itself.'
to argue this is of course ridiculous - experience is conditional -
just as that which is experienced is conditional - and that which
does the experiencing is conditional
I think the point is rather that we begin with experience -
and to know it - understand it - we at least place it in some
kind of ideational context
'To urge, therefore, that a self or ego is presupposed in
experience or even must have created experience by
absolute fiat, is curiously to fail in critical thinking, and to
renounce the transcendental method.........this backsliding
of transcendentalism...might have no serious consequences,
if transcendentalism were clearly recognized to be simply
a romantic episode in reflection, a sort of poetic madness
and no necessary step in the life of reason.....'
indeed a self or an ego - such terms are poetic - the inner
dimension of experience by definition is not susceptible to
objective - scientific account - the categories which come
with such analyses - are not applicable - and so we need
different categories - a different language to describe such
experience - and so - art - aesthetics is the language - the
'science' of the inner experience
consciousness stands dead centre (another poetic image)
- it can look out - it can look in - there is no one language
- there is the outer language and the inner language
this is not to say anything extraordinary
but it does point to the origin - the reason for art
and once this is appreciated - the lopsided view of the
objectivists (that there is only objective reality) is seen
for what it is - the product of stunted if not deformed growth
- and very sad
'But the delusion seems troublesome to the serious critic
of knowledge when it perhaps inclines him to imagine that,
in asserting that experience is a product, and has two terms,
he is describing the inner nature of experience and not
merely its external conditions, as natural history reports them.
He may then be tempted to assign a metaphysical status
and logical necessity to a merely material fact.'
It is not necessary to go off the edge here - it need not follow
because one recognizes an inner experience one is committed
to a metaphysical status and logical necessity
the inner experience - is contingent
this is what confuses the objectivists - they think - yes because -
it is in a state of flux it must - like the outside world be subject
to - objective analysis
the thing is - though not outside - yes it has some characteristics
of what is observable
how do you define a box?
is it - the external conditions - let us say it's wooden structure -
that defines it or is it 'the space inside'?
you see it all depends where - where - you are
you can't have one without the other
but you can mistake one for the other
it's a question - here of metaphysical geography
'Instead of the body, which is the true "subject" in experience,
he may think he finds an absolute ego, and instead of the natural
environment of the body, which is the true "object", he may think
he finds an illimitable reality; and to make things singular, he may
proceed to declare that these two are one: but this is a myth'
yes - we can forget about the absolute ego
and the body as subject - OK - so long as you understand -
the body - is not one dimensional - yes it is observable -
but it is also known from the inside -
the 'body' if you wish to use that term - and why not -
is philosophically speaking - two dimensional
scientifically speaking - only one dimensional
(and here - if anyone needed to know is the difference between
philosophy and science
science - is the useful with one task
philosophy - understands and surveys - looks at possible
responses to any one issue)
the natural environment - the true object?
the body - here - too is part of the natural environment
a human being is both subject and object
to speak of what this unity - amounts to
is indeed to get metaphysical
it is to go beyond - the realities of subjectivity and objectivity
you must go beyond these categories - if you are to explain them
and really this is where mysticism enters the story
and mysticism is I think just - poetry - thinking above its station
but nevertheless quite harmless in itself
it answers some need
my own response at this level - is to say beyond the subject and
object - we have no knowledge
you can reify - or romance this into 'the unknown'
as some mystics have
16.8.05
Santayana IV (iv)
Santayana goes on:
'But there is a biological truth, discovered much latter,
under this alleged analytic necessity: the truth that animal
experience is a product of two factors, antecedent to the
experience and not parts of it, namely organ and stimulus,
body and environment, person and situation. These two natural
conditions normally come together, like flint and steel,
before the spark of experience will fly.'
Santayana is here arguing for a non-subjective account of
experience
science uncovers the relation - physical - objective - which
is subjectivity (if understood properly)
this in short is a physicalist analysis - explanation of the
appearance that is consciousness
an 'experience' we mistakenly believe to be subjective
OK - first off - 'the truth that animal experience is a
product of two factors....'
this is an account of behaviour - based on - observation
and theory regarding the place - the significance of such
observation -
we are not presented with this truth
it is made - and within the edifice of science -
the science of the day
in general this is what science does - account for - explain -
the object - objective reality
and why does this ever occur - what is the reason?
you see - what is - presented - what is the object -
is not as is - known
most of what we are presented with - in the world -
we can place - already within some scheme of understanding -
hence at the most basic - almost intuitive level - we
know what we are dealing with
but if you were to strip away all this background knowledge -
the observer would come upon something - yes - but it would
be simply unknown
in this sense - the object of knowledge is - the unknown -
perhaps one of the first ways we learn to identify what is
before us - is in making the distinction between subject
and object - a fundamental ontological distinction - which
is validated by the world - and necessary for our understanding
the next point I want to make - more to the point of the
above quote - is that Santayana's idea of these two 'natural
conditions' accounting for consciousness is at best a hypothesis
based on the assumption - the metaphysical assumption of
materialism
on that assumption - of course it makes sense
but what can it explain?
a relation between two physical dimensions - i.e. - stimulus
and organ - body and environment - yes
that there is a relation - yes - under certain conditions -
results - behaviour - as a result of the interaction -
is observed -
so far so good
and the further hypothesis that - that what?
that such behaviour is - consciousness -
is an expression - of it
and it is here another physical state - i.e. - brain process
- perhaps
from an objective point of view - all this is fine
but the thing is that all this - all the above is premised
on the existence of a subject - or if you like an observer
and perhaps it is too much to expect that an observer can
explain his observing - as distinct from what is observed
still this is where we are at - it's what we are talking about
what you have here is a simple mistake
it is confusing the observed - with the observer
it is assuming we can deal with the act of observing
in the same way as any other physical event -
that is to be observed - i.e. - that it is out there
well it's clearly not - so though you may make some
lovely co-relations that appear to be in the vicinity -
i.e. - organ stimulus - body - environment - they do not -
cannot address the issue of consciousness
simply because consciousness - is not out there
to be observed -
this is just to say - on this kind of matter -
the best science can come up with is an analogy
and while I understand philosophical thinking can turn
you inside out - you may in search of truth become something
you did not expect -
it suggests a severe lack of character at least -
to actually argue that what your experience is observable -
and then - to pretend to hold to - such a blatant lie
who would you like to convince?
'But there is a biological truth, discovered much latter,
under this alleged analytic necessity: the truth that animal
experience is a product of two factors, antecedent to the
experience and not parts of it, namely organ and stimulus,
body and environment, person and situation. These two natural
conditions normally come together, like flint and steel,
before the spark of experience will fly.'
Santayana is here arguing for a non-subjective account of
experience
science uncovers the relation - physical - objective - which
is subjectivity (if understood properly)
this in short is a physicalist analysis - explanation of the
appearance that is consciousness
an 'experience' we mistakenly believe to be subjective
OK - first off - 'the truth that animal experience is a
product of two factors....'
this is an account of behaviour - based on - observation
and theory regarding the place - the significance of such
observation -
we are not presented with this truth
it is made - and within the edifice of science -
the science of the day
in general this is what science does - account for - explain -
the object - objective reality
and why does this ever occur - what is the reason?
you see - what is - presented - what is the object -
is not as is - known
most of what we are presented with - in the world -
we can place - already within some scheme of understanding -
hence at the most basic - almost intuitive level - we
know what we are dealing with
but if you were to strip away all this background knowledge -
the observer would come upon something - yes - but it would
be simply unknown
in this sense - the object of knowledge is - the unknown -
perhaps one of the first ways we learn to identify what is
before us - is in making the distinction between subject
and object - a fundamental ontological distinction - which
is validated by the world - and necessary for our understanding
the next point I want to make - more to the point of the
above quote - is that Santayana's idea of these two 'natural
conditions' accounting for consciousness is at best a hypothesis
based on the assumption - the metaphysical assumption of
materialism
on that assumption - of course it makes sense
but what can it explain?
a relation between two physical dimensions - i.e. - stimulus
and organ - body and environment - yes
that there is a relation - yes - under certain conditions -
results - behaviour - as a result of the interaction -
is observed -
so far so good
and the further hypothesis that - that what?
that such behaviour is - consciousness -
is an expression - of it
and it is here another physical state - i.e. - brain process
- perhaps
from an objective point of view - all this is fine
but the thing is that all this - all the above is premised
on the existence of a subject - or if you like an observer
and perhaps it is too much to expect that an observer can
explain his observing - as distinct from what is observed
still this is where we are at - it's what we are talking about
what you have here is a simple mistake
it is confusing the observed - with the observer
it is assuming we can deal with the act of observing
in the same way as any other physical event -
that is to be observed - i.e. - that it is out there
well it's clearly not - so though you may make some
lovely co-relations that appear to be in the vicinity -
i.e. - organ stimulus - body - environment - they do not -
cannot address the issue of consciousness
simply because consciousness - is not out there
to be observed -
this is just to say - on this kind of matter -
the best science can come up with is an analogy
and while I understand philosophical thinking can turn
you inside out - you may in search of truth become something
you did not expect -
it suggests a severe lack of character at least -
to actually argue that what your experience is observable -
and then - to pretend to hold to - such a blatant lie
who would you like to convince?
Santayana IV (iii)
Santayana regards the subject / object distinction -
a fiction of grammar
still he has no qualms arguing against solipsism -
a subject - only view of reality
I think - just as ridiculous and dangerous -
a purely objective argument
true the world is one - 'objective' if you wish
but within this object (the world) is consciousness
consciousness is not just another fact of the world
it is a quality - a dimension
the internal dimension of the object
the relation here - internal / external is not universal -
not all things have an internal dimension - some do -
and this you can call objective if you wish
but the thing is we need not look at this only in an
objective manner
consciousness gives us choice - the choice of an inside view
and it should not be forgotten - an surface view
(without consciousness there is no view - whatsoever)
in fact the two run together
it is only analysis that divides
but apart from all this
we need to see a purely objective view - one that denies
the reality of the subject - as false and dangerous
in the wrong hands - such a view has been the first premise -
(the logical) cause of much human suffering
it is also the argument of science
dispassionate - observation of the world - with no regard
for the subject - only for its category - class
OK
but you need to watch it
science should always be subjected to the human test
of morality
let's not forget what we are
who we are
a fiction of grammar
still he has no qualms arguing against solipsism -
a subject - only view of reality
I think - just as ridiculous and dangerous -
a purely objective argument
true the world is one - 'objective' if you wish
but within this object (the world) is consciousness
consciousness is not just another fact of the world
it is a quality - a dimension
the internal dimension of the object
the relation here - internal / external is not universal -
not all things have an internal dimension - some do -
and this you can call objective if you wish
but the thing is we need not look at this only in an
objective manner
consciousness gives us choice - the choice of an inside view
and it should not be forgotten - an surface view
(without consciousness there is no view - whatsoever)
in fact the two run together
it is only analysis that divides
but apart from all this
we need to see a purely objective view - one that denies
the reality of the subject - as false and dangerous
in the wrong hands - such a view has been the first premise -
(the logical) cause of much human suffering
it is also the argument of science
dispassionate - observation of the world - with no regard
for the subject - only for its category - class
OK
but you need to watch it
science should always be subjected to the human test
of morality
let's not forget what we are
who we are
Santayana IV (2)
'Analysis can never find in the object what, by hypothesis,
is not there; and the object by definition, is all that is
found'.
first point - Santayana while he is attempting to debunk
the notion of subject as a grammatical fantasy - still speaks
of what 'analysis can never find'
what is this analysis - might it just so happen to be what
a subject does - (and is aware of doing)?
I grant you from God's point of view - here thinking of God
as some mega subject apart from the world - all else -
including the consciousness of people would be regarded as
object - objective
and indeed you don't have to be God - to understand this -
or think this way -
we can adopt such a stance - choose to regard - everything
from the outside to see the world as surface
the point here is - if you choose such a perspective -
begin with it - of course 'the object by definition,
is all that is found'
you may be able to isolate certain brain process and say
that's it - that's what happens in the brain when someone
experiences the colour red - that read-out - that picture -
'is the experience of the experience'
good -
we could accept such - but who is going to go 'wow'
an artist's creation on canvas might be more interesting -
or a poet's portrayal in verse
and the thing is how would you ever know that the brain
picture was a picture of the experience?
all this assumes that what is observed of the surface of
things corresponds to the inside - that the inside and
the outside are two aspects of the one thing
a fair enough assumption I guess
but as the angel said to Mary - 'assumption is all we have'
is not there; and the object by definition, is all that is
found'.
first point - Santayana while he is attempting to debunk
the notion of subject as a grammatical fantasy - still speaks
of what 'analysis can never find'
what is this analysis - might it just so happen to be what
a subject does - (and is aware of doing)?
I grant you from God's point of view - here thinking of God
as some mega subject apart from the world - all else -
including the consciousness of people would be regarded as
object - objective
and indeed you don't have to be God - to understand this -
or think this way -
we can adopt such a stance - choose to regard - everything
from the outside to see the world as surface
the point here is - if you choose such a perspective -
begin with it - of course 'the object by definition,
is all that is found'
you may be able to isolate certain brain process and say
that's it - that's what happens in the brain when someone
experiences the colour red - that read-out - that picture -
'is the experience of the experience'
good -
we could accept such - but who is going to go 'wow'
an artist's creation on canvas might be more interesting -
or a poet's portrayal in verse
and the thing is how would you ever know that the brain
picture was a picture of the experience?
all this assumes that what is observed of the surface of
things corresponds to the inside - that the inside and
the outside are two aspects of the one thing
a fair enough assumption I guess
but as the angel said to Mary - 'assumption is all we have'
Santayana IV
doubts about self-consciousness
'It might seem for a moment as if this pressing actuality
of experience implies a relation between subject and object,
so that an indescribable being called the ego or self was
given with and involved in any actual event. The analysis,
however is merely grammatical, and if pressed issues in
mythical notions'
'this pressing actuality of experience'
- or the simple fact of it - can imply a relation between
subject and object - can imply
this is just to say a subject /object distinction - can be
used to account for experience
as an explanation of it - if such is called for
and yes - you can characterize 'subject' further - and this
maybe just poetic - but that's not important
but the whole business is to step out from the experience -
and give it a logical characterization - hence - subject and
object - the experience is seen as the product of the relation
between the knower and the object of the knowing
some description - of experience - per se is demanded -
by what?
this is where the subject /object distinction suggests itself -
quite naturally
and it is clearly not the object - the world that demands -
requires - asks for description of itself
we come to the idea of subject - not just because -
it is quite naturally suggested - but - it is needed to
account for the question of experience
we see - experience - the world
what is this - what does this experiencing of the object?
surely it makes sense to speak of something - the world
itself (as object) - does not issue forth experience -
(short of consciousness the world is unknown -
that is its final status
the world is known - knows itself - however imperfectly -
given - only given
consciousness)
experience is a possibility - an actuality -
only given a subject -
so to come to this idea - the subject / object distinction
how does this occur?
it's the stepping out here that's crucial
I think - such a process is to begin with nothing -
the unknown - in this case experience - is without
definition - explanation
(this is an intellectual choice - to do this -
to regard x in such a way
does it matter how we make this move - what it is -
how to describe it?
not particularly I think - there's any number of ways
to do this - to describe what's going on here -
the fact of it - is what is important
I think it's consciousness reaching for understanding
whatever this means)
the thing is we can do this - suspend judgement -
ontological and epistemological and look for answers -
for questions - create pictures
pictures - that give a sense of fundamental co-ordinates
'It might seem for a moment as if this pressing actuality
of experience implies a relation between subject and object,
so that an indescribable being called the ego or self was
given with and involved in any actual event. The analysis,
however is merely grammatical, and if pressed issues in
mythical notions'
'this pressing actuality of experience'
- or the simple fact of it - can imply a relation between
subject and object - can imply
this is just to say a subject /object distinction - can be
used to account for experience
as an explanation of it - if such is called for
and yes - you can characterize 'subject' further - and this
maybe just poetic - but that's not important
but the whole business is to step out from the experience -
and give it a logical characterization - hence - subject and
object - the experience is seen as the product of the relation
between the knower and the object of the knowing
some description - of experience - per se is demanded -
by what?
this is where the subject /object distinction suggests itself -
quite naturally
and it is clearly not the object - the world that demands -
requires - asks for description of itself
we come to the idea of subject - not just because -
it is quite naturally suggested - but - it is needed to
account for the question of experience
we see - experience - the world
what is this - what does this experiencing of the object?
surely it makes sense to speak of something - the world
itself (as object) - does not issue forth experience -
(short of consciousness the world is unknown -
that is its final status
the world is known - knows itself - however imperfectly -
given - only given
consciousness)
experience is a possibility - an actuality -
only given a subject -
so to come to this idea - the subject / object distinction
how does this occur?
it's the stepping out here that's crucial
I think - such a process is to begin with nothing -
the unknown - in this case experience - is without
definition - explanation
(this is an intellectual choice - to do this -
to regard x in such a way
does it matter how we make this move - what it is -
how to describe it?
not particularly I think - there's any number of ways
to do this - to describe what's going on here -
the fact of it - is what is important
I think it's consciousness reaching for understanding
whatever this means)
the thing is we can do this - suspend judgement -
ontological and epistemological and look for answers -
for questions - create pictures
pictures - that give a sense of fundamental co-ordinates
15.8.05
epoche
the suspension of belief -
what role does belief play in action?
is there any necessity here?
are there some acts that you must perform with attendant
beliefs for the act to be performed?
is belief - a mere optional extra - perhaps a luxury?
I just wonder - how different anything would be if we lived
in a world without belief
no beliefs
what would be different?
perhaps a more manageable question might be
what acts are belief dependent?
what acts could not would not be performed without a certain
set of beliefs?
can we distinguish act and belief as I appear to be suggesting?
is there an act that has not belief?
(in the human scale of things)
perhaps belief is just another dimension of act?
when we are talking about the acts of human beings
and how are we to characterize acts in this sense?
clearly we observe acts - the acts of others -
our own acts?
yes - but this is not so straightforward - for here one
is the author as well as the observer -
we can say - can't we that a belief can be a cause of act
but the act may well have been caused without that belief
and perhaps without a belief at all
so
belief - a sufficient but not necessary condition for - act?
what would constitute a necessary condition for action?
existence - perhaps - but not belief
belief - I suggest is an inherently suspendable commodity
is it necessary to have some belief to act?
here you would need to have a view on what counts as belief
as i.e. - distinct from idea - parallel mental event
a belief is generally a well formed thought - not a stray
and I know this is not the most detailed analysis -
but even - at this level with this definition -
it's clear I think
not every mental event that accompanies action is a belief
a belief in short is an interpretation of the world or a
part thereof
one may have some belief going in - with whatever one does -
(if one reflects on the matter) -
but perhaps - logically speaking - this is just a matter of
habit or coincidence
I suspect most of what human beings do (logically speaking)
is - suspension of belief
to act definitively - on the basis of a belief - is perhaps
the exception rather than the rule
and indeed the same act I suggest could have been performed -
without belief - or - with any number of other beliefs
it's a wardrobe issue
what role does belief play in action?
is there any necessity here?
are there some acts that you must perform with attendant
beliefs for the act to be performed?
is belief - a mere optional extra - perhaps a luxury?
I just wonder - how different anything would be if we lived
in a world without belief
no beliefs
what would be different?
perhaps a more manageable question might be
what acts are belief dependent?
what acts could not would not be performed without a certain
set of beliefs?
can we distinguish act and belief as I appear to be suggesting?
is there an act that has not belief?
(in the human scale of things)
perhaps belief is just another dimension of act?
when we are talking about the acts of human beings
and how are we to characterize acts in this sense?
clearly we observe acts - the acts of others -
our own acts?
yes - but this is not so straightforward - for here one
is the author as well as the observer -
we can say - can't we that a belief can be a cause of act
but the act may well have been caused without that belief
and perhaps without a belief at all
so
belief - a sufficient but not necessary condition for - act?
what would constitute a necessary condition for action?
existence - perhaps - but not belief
belief - I suggest is an inherently suspendable commodity
is it necessary to have some belief to act?
here you would need to have a view on what counts as belief
as i.e. - distinct from idea - parallel mental event
a belief is generally a well formed thought - not a stray
and I know this is not the most detailed analysis -
but even - at this level with this definition -
it's clear I think
not every mental event that accompanies action is a belief
a belief in short is an interpretation of the world or a
part thereof
one may have some belief going in - with whatever one does -
(if one reflects on the matter) -
but perhaps - logically speaking - this is just a matter of
habit or coincidence
I suspect most of what human beings do (logically speaking)
is - suspension of belief
to act definitively - on the basis of a belief - is perhaps
the exception rather than the rule
and indeed the same act I suggest could have been performed -
without belief - or - with any number of other beliefs
it's a wardrobe issue
Janus
we speak of the relationship between consciousness
and the world or if you like the mental and the physical
on a fundamental level you can say the result -
the outcome of this relation - the formation - is language
in language we have a mirror to the mind
a mirror to the world
a mirror that looks both ways
the Janus mirror
language is the point of contact of the mind and the world
it is if you like the 'third reality' -
and when you reach this platform - the categories of subject
and object might be regarded as superseded -
(I have some doubt here - but acknowledge the point -
there is much wisdom in non-reductionist philosophy -
the thing is perhaps just to observe)
language is (the focus)
consciousness / (in) the world (no reduction)
where to from here?
is there anywhere to go?
is there any reason to?
language is the world without doubt
just as it is
in all its dynamic vitality
and the world or if you like the mental and the physical
on a fundamental level you can say the result -
the outcome of this relation - the formation - is language
in language we have a mirror to the mind
a mirror to the world
a mirror that looks both ways
the Janus mirror
language is the point of contact of the mind and the world
it is if you like the 'third reality' -
and when you reach this platform - the categories of subject
and object might be regarded as superseded -
(I have some doubt here - but acknowledge the point -
there is much wisdom in non-reductionist philosophy -
the thing is perhaps just to observe)
language is (the focus)
consciousness / (in) the world (no reduction)
where to from here?
is there anywhere to go?
is there any reason to?
language is the world without doubt
just as it is
in all its dynamic vitality
language
so
I said earlier consciousness is the bringing of language
to the world
so what is this - that language is brought to?
is it some kind of blank the human mind writes on?
no -
we have no evidence for this - no experience of it
we may imagine a blank world pre-language - but - it's
just that - fancy
so
what does this mean?
a description (language) - already there in some form -
a fundamental language - perhaps - we build on?
this does not stack up -
you either bring language to the world or you don't -
I think
so
it's not already there and the world is not blank
if this is so -
have we asked the right question?
and the question was - an initial state question -
what is the original set up -
before it all gets going?
a nice metaphysical inquiry -
but the situation the actuality -
is not like this
we describe the world as we live in it
there is no beginning or end to this
it's a kind of spontaneous creation - reality
it's always been here
consciousness and the world -
a perfect fit -
what else could we say -
consciousness brings language to the world
and all we know is the world described by consciousness
beyond this - the unknown -
and I think here Santayana is on the right track -
we only - always start - in the middle - in the midst
of it all
origins and endings
are not what we know
what we know is what is here
and what is here is the mind describing this world
and the world described
logicians like to undress the world -
strip it back to bare necessities
can be useful - and indeed a fun thing to do
but - where do you stop?
how do you identify the fundamental?
it's not necessarily at the end of the inquiry -
as the inquiry can go on as long as you wish -
it's not as if it's got a name tag -
'philosopher's stone'
and instructions
'stop here'
the idea of a fundamental - is all we are talking of here
it's the idea that needs to be looked at
what's the reason for such a pursuit - endeavour -
look - I think it's just the perception of causation
gone mad
or more charitably
we need to organize ourselves - to establish a focus -
some principle of unity
and some people seek out the source of things -
but if so - that's the only point of it -
dealing with an issue of practice - of proceeding -
so description?
we describe what is there -
what is there is identifiable - therefore some
recognition is in place
take for example my black wooden bookcase
black - wooden - bookcase -
appearance - substance - function
you might say - three fundamentals of description
I didn't come into the world equipped with these notions
I had to learn colour - substance - use
but this is about establishing veridical perception
for all practical purposes - 'black wooden bookcase'
- does the job -
it's a natural description
and even if I go astray and get seduced by quantum physics
- or cubist art - or L.S.D -
the point is - 'black wooden bookcase' holds its ground
is there a more fundamental description?
no -
I said earlier consciousness is the bringing of language
to the world
so what is this - that language is brought to?
is it some kind of blank the human mind writes on?
no -
we have no evidence for this - no experience of it
we may imagine a blank world pre-language - but - it's
just that - fancy
so
what does this mean?
a description (language) - already there in some form -
a fundamental language - perhaps - we build on?
this does not stack up -
you either bring language to the world or you don't -
I think
so
it's not already there and the world is not blank
if this is so -
have we asked the right question?
and the question was - an initial state question -
what is the original set up -
before it all gets going?
a nice metaphysical inquiry -
but the situation the actuality -
is not like this
we describe the world as we live in it
there is no beginning or end to this
it's a kind of spontaneous creation - reality
it's always been here
consciousness and the world -
a perfect fit -
what else could we say -
consciousness brings language to the world
and all we know is the world described by consciousness
beyond this - the unknown -
and I think here Santayana is on the right track -
we only - always start - in the middle - in the midst
of it all
origins and endings
are not what we know
what we know is what is here
and what is here is the mind describing this world
and the world described
logicians like to undress the world -
strip it back to bare necessities
can be useful - and indeed a fun thing to do
but - where do you stop?
how do you identify the fundamental?
it's not necessarily at the end of the inquiry -
as the inquiry can go on as long as you wish -
it's not as if it's got a name tag -
'philosopher's stone'
and instructions
'stop here'
the idea of a fundamental - is all we are talking of here
it's the idea that needs to be looked at
what's the reason for such a pursuit - endeavour -
look - I think it's just the perception of causation
gone mad
or more charitably
we need to organize ourselves - to establish a focus -
some principle of unity
and some people seek out the source of things -
but if so - that's the only point of it -
dealing with an issue of practice - of proceeding -
so description?
we describe what is there -
what is there is identifiable - therefore some
recognition is in place
take for example my black wooden bookcase
black - wooden - bookcase -
appearance - substance - function
you might say - three fundamentals of description
I didn't come into the world equipped with these notions
I had to learn colour - substance - use
but this is about establishing veridical perception
for all practical purposes - 'black wooden bookcase'
- does the job -
it's a natural description
and even if I go astray and get seduced by quantum physics
- or cubist art - or L.S.D -
the point is - 'black wooden bookcase' holds its ground
is there a more fundamental description?
no -
13.8.05
should III
when I think of what I should do - the 'should' here
is a projection of a state of affairs
it is to outline a reality
it is to describe how things can be - will be - if certain
actions are taken
it is to imagine an outcome
and indeed a heavily qualified - state of affairs
one that presumes - in short - the world will allow such
an outcome -
and the reason for this projection?
in the straightest of terms it is to wish - to want such
to come to fruition
the 'want' here - is a moral want
I wonder though if in fact it is in principle any different
from any other want but for the fact that it is more complex
I have in mind here - I want a cup of coffee - no great drama
- few variables to control
I want a better world for everyone - simple idea you may say
- yes - but you look into it - the issues are very complex -
the possibilities for action are many and varied - the
reasonings necessary to make a difference - to bring about
the result or a result (already issues are defined) - not
straightforward - much to think upon much to depend upon
and why does anyone want this or similar outcomes - frankly
it doesn't matter - the fact is they do
it's a battle of outcomes
and in the event of success - we say 'that's good' -
but - even in saying this - we know it is never finished -
never fixed
what was desired at one time - may not be at another -
one's conception of a better life - a better world -
however you want to put it - is rarely stable
that we think in such a way - is not a matter of choice -
is not an option -
it is just a fact of human beings
is a projection of a state of affairs
it is to outline a reality
it is to describe how things can be - will be - if certain
actions are taken
it is to imagine an outcome
and indeed a heavily qualified - state of affairs
one that presumes - in short - the world will allow such
an outcome -
and the reason for this projection?
in the straightest of terms it is to wish - to want such
to come to fruition
the 'want' here - is a moral want
I wonder though if in fact it is in principle any different
from any other want but for the fact that it is more complex
I have in mind here - I want a cup of coffee - no great drama
- few variables to control
I want a better world for everyone - simple idea you may say
- yes - but you look into it - the issues are very complex -
the possibilities for action are many and varied - the
reasonings necessary to make a difference - to bring about
the result or a result (already issues are defined) - not
straightforward - much to think upon much to depend upon
and why does anyone want this or similar outcomes - frankly
it doesn't matter - the fact is they do
it's a battle of outcomes
and in the event of success - we say 'that's good' -
but - even in saying this - we know it is never finished -
never fixed
what was desired at one time - may not be at another -
one's conception of a better life - a better world -
however you want to put it - is rarely stable
that we think in such a way - is not a matter of choice -
is not an option -
it is just a fact of human beings
description
what is it to describe?
it is to identify
and to characterize
but what is this?
we can speak in general here and say it is to bring
language to the world
putting it this way though suggests a distinction between
language and the world
and there is some sense in this
language is not the kind of thing that is out there -
like a physical feature - given in nature
it comes with consciousness
its bearers are human beings
(nevertheless it can be said to be a feature of the world
in as much as anything that exists - is - and any distinction
must be in house)
so language is a fact - a feature - a characteristic
of a certain class of existents - us
and language - what is it?
a mark - a sign - that has meaning?
the mark - be it the syntax of writing - the 'syntax'
of painting - 'the syntax' of music - etc. -
is out there - it becomes a feature - a fact of the
physical world
its significance - its meaning?
what do we say here?
is it a private matter - or like the physical marking -
a public fact?
the meaning is public - it can't be otherwise
meaning is a fact of human beings in the world
it is publicly identifiable - it is the significance
of the sign
the sign and its significance - are not two different things
a sign - in this sense
just is meaning in the world
people can have meaning in a private sense language
is its publication
and let's cut to the chase here -
consciousness recognizes consciousness
there is no analogy going on here
it is direct recognition
conscious entities recognize conscious entities
(as conscious entities)
and recognize their expression - language -
recognize the fact of it - the meaning of it -
or at least that it has meaning
how does this happen?
I don't know
however I will try and suggest a picture which might
give the idea some credence
beware though
it's quite a fantastic conception
imagine
consciousness has that all persuasiveness this materialist
age gives to matter - or - nature
think of bodies as we now think of minds - as separate
somewhat alien parts of a greater reality - in this case
mind or consciousness
in such a scheme bodies simply divide up the all pervasive
consciousness - get in the way of the conscious unity
but as we think now of physical forces as transcending -
overriding mental - anomalies - think the opposite case
consciousness - as the totality that overrides
the obstacles of physics
I am not a pan-psychist here - though it wouldn't matter
really for my purposes of illustration - or perhaps -
frustration -
the thing is - such a conception - a metaphysics -
if you dare - would - if we had a science to go with it -
account for the direct knowledge of one consciousness to
another
by the way - you wouldn't have to necessarily throw out
physics here
just think in terms of different expressions of matter
your physical object - might be a crude - rather dull
kind of physics as contrasted with thought - far more
refined - sublime even - manifestation or development
in fact personally - it doesn't bother me to drop physics
altogether I can do it without a second thought
and I don't think you must then resign yourself to the
mumbo jumbo of its competitor (not to suggest there isn't
any mumbo jumbo in physics - they are both as bad as the
other - in this respect - but spiritualism lags in popularity
because it can't deliver toasters or garden utensils)
the thing is either
physics or spiritualism - is finally a description
I am jumping way ahead of myself here -
but I believe we can climb Wittgenstein's ladder -
or for the matter of that - go down Dante's - and then dispense
with our journey - the journey of description
OK - on this I have still a way to go
I have here - jumped a few rungs
it is to identify
and to characterize
but what is this?
we can speak in general here and say it is to bring
language to the world
putting it this way though suggests a distinction between
language and the world
and there is some sense in this
language is not the kind of thing that is out there -
like a physical feature - given in nature
it comes with consciousness
its bearers are human beings
(nevertheless it can be said to be a feature of the world
in as much as anything that exists - is - and any distinction
must be in house)
so language is a fact - a feature - a characteristic
of a certain class of existents - us
and language - what is it?
a mark - a sign - that has meaning?
the mark - be it the syntax of writing - the 'syntax'
of painting - 'the syntax' of music - etc. -
is out there - it becomes a feature - a fact of the
physical world
its significance - its meaning?
what do we say here?
is it a private matter - or like the physical marking -
a public fact?
the meaning is public - it can't be otherwise
meaning is a fact of human beings in the world
it is publicly identifiable - it is the significance
of the sign
the sign and its significance - are not two different things
a sign - in this sense
just is meaning in the world
people can have meaning in a private sense language
is its publication
and let's cut to the chase here -
consciousness recognizes consciousness
there is no analogy going on here
it is direct recognition
conscious entities recognize conscious entities
(as conscious entities)
and recognize their expression - language -
recognize the fact of it - the meaning of it -
or at least that it has meaning
how does this happen?
I don't know
however I will try and suggest a picture which might
give the idea some credence
beware though
it's quite a fantastic conception
imagine
consciousness has that all persuasiveness this materialist
age gives to matter - or - nature
think of bodies as we now think of minds - as separate
somewhat alien parts of a greater reality - in this case
mind or consciousness
in such a scheme bodies simply divide up the all pervasive
consciousness - get in the way of the conscious unity
but as we think now of physical forces as transcending -
overriding mental - anomalies - think the opposite case
consciousness - as the totality that overrides
the obstacles of physics
I am not a pan-psychist here - though it wouldn't matter
really for my purposes of illustration - or perhaps -
frustration -
the thing is - such a conception - a metaphysics -
if you dare - would - if we had a science to go with it -
account for the direct knowledge of one consciousness to
another
by the way - you wouldn't have to necessarily throw out
physics here
just think in terms of different expressions of matter
your physical object - might be a crude - rather dull
kind of physics as contrasted with thought - far more
refined - sublime even - manifestation or development
in fact personally - it doesn't bother me to drop physics
altogether I can do it without a second thought
and I don't think you must then resign yourself to the
mumbo jumbo of its competitor (not to suggest there isn't
any mumbo jumbo in physics - they are both as bad as the
other - in this respect - but spiritualism lags in popularity
because it can't deliver toasters or garden utensils)
the thing is either
physics or spiritualism - is finally a description
I am jumping way ahead of myself here -
but I believe we can climb Wittgenstein's ladder -
or for the matter of that - go down Dante's - and then dispense
with our journey - the journey of description
OK - on this I have still a way to go
I have here - jumped a few rungs
Santayana III
wayward scepticism
here Santayana is concerned to point out that
a sceptical analysis of dogma or accepted belief -
can lead to a solipsism - that is effectively a dogma -
a compensatory dogma - and this he suggests misses
the point of real or proper scepticism
i.e. -
'The postulates on which empirical science and inductive
science are based - namely that there has been a past,
that it was such that it is now thought to be, that there
will be a future and that it must for some inconceivable
reason, resemble the past and obey the same laws - these
are all gratuitous dogmas. The sceptic in his honest retreat
knows nothing of a future, and has no need of such an
unwarrantable idea. He may perhaps have images before him
of scenes somehow not in the foreground, with a sense of
before and after running through the texture of them; and
he may call this background of his sentiency the past; but
the relative obscurity and evanescence of these phantoms will
not prompt him to suppose that they have retreated to
obscurity from the light of day. They will be to him what he
experiences them as being, denizens of the twilight'
and
'The solipsist thus becomes an incredulous spectator of his
own romance, thinks his own adventures fictions, and accepts
a solipsism of the present moment'
he goes on
'Scepticism is not concerned to abolish ideas; it can relish
the variety and order of a pictured world, or any number of
them in succession, without any of the qualms and exclusions
proper to dogmatism. Its case is simply not to credit these
ideas, not to posit any of these fancied worlds, nor this
ghostly mind imagined as viewing them'
and on ideas -
'Ideas become beliefs when by precipitating tendencies to
action they persuade me they are signs of things; and these
things are not those ideas hypostatized, but are believed to
be compacted of many parts, and full of ambushed powers,
entirely absent from the ideas. The belief is imposed on me
surreptitiously by a latent mechanical reaction of my body
on the object producing the idea; it is by no means implied
by any qualities obvious in that idea. Such a latent reaction,
being mechanical, can hardly be avoided, but it may be discounted
in reflection........'
and back to solipsism - Santayana says -
'The difficulties I find in maintaining it come from the social
and laborious character of human life'
and latter -
'But identity....implies two moments, two instances, or two
intuitions, between which it obtains. Similarly, a "present
moment" suggests other moments, and an adventitious limitation
either in duration or in scope; but the solipsist and his world
(which are not distinguishable) have by hypothesis no environment
whatsoever, and nothing limits them save the fact that there is
nothing more.'
I think Santayana is right here - solipsism is really a result
of a quest for certainty - and one that is not logically sustainable
- the self is only a self relative to non-self and if we were to
drop the idea of non-self - it would be no solution for the solipsist
- for the result would be - on paper - as it were - that the self
has disappeared into the totality - it actually no longer exists -
the totality is self - and this makes no sense for the whole point
of self is its definition - its distinction - and there is no
distinction in everything
so this kind of a quest for certainty - really results in denial
of the subject - and leads to an ontology - a world view where no
thing per se exists - let alone a peculiar thing
like the self -
and we ask what is the point of such a quest - even if we don't
end up in the paradox of solipsism - why certainty?
where does the idea come from - what is its use?
my gut feeling is that it is a retreat from the world - a desire
for an alternative reality one that is unchanging - Plato knew
this and was up front about it -
and who has not been thwarted by the vicissitudes of life - yes
nevertheless it is still a retreat - a denial
but I suppose a denial with hope - the hope for something better?
even so - whatever one comes up with as a better reality - is no
more than a fancy defeated in every moment
perhaps at the very least it is safer to acknowledge the
uncertainty of life - of existing
at the best the idea is to see uncertainty as the very basis -
the ground of possibility -
and hence the source of all human freedom and creativity
this is not a natural reaction - and not a common one -
let alone an easy one - I think it only comes from deep experience
and /or deep thought -
it is a position you can arrive at via a healthy and positive
critical approach to life - it is a position that is hard to
maintain - and requires courage in life and thought
the sceptic does not need to deny the existence of anything -
let alone the world - the question is how to regard beliefs -
ideas - about the world?
what are they and what is the point of them?
are they not simply companions of action?
and the substance - the qualities - the ground -
of the inner life -
a ground never sure - but ever bright
here Santayana is concerned to point out that
a sceptical analysis of dogma or accepted belief -
can lead to a solipsism - that is effectively a dogma -
a compensatory dogma - and this he suggests misses
the point of real or proper scepticism
i.e. -
'The postulates on which empirical science and inductive
science are based - namely that there has been a past,
that it was such that it is now thought to be, that there
will be a future and that it must for some inconceivable
reason, resemble the past and obey the same laws - these
are all gratuitous dogmas. The sceptic in his honest retreat
knows nothing of a future, and has no need of such an
unwarrantable idea. He may perhaps have images before him
of scenes somehow not in the foreground, with a sense of
before and after running through the texture of them; and
he may call this background of his sentiency the past; but
the relative obscurity and evanescence of these phantoms will
not prompt him to suppose that they have retreated to
obscurity from the light of day. They will be to him what he
experiences them as being, denizens of the twilight'
and
'The solipsist thus becomes an incredulous spectator of his
own romance, thinks his own adventures fictions, and accepts
a solipsism of the present moment'
he goes on
'Scepticism is not concerned to abolish ideas; it can relish
the variety and order of a pictured world, or any number of
them in succession, without any of the qualms and exclusions
proper to dogmatism. Its case is simply not to credit these
ideas, not to posit any of these fancied worlds, nor this
ghostly mind imagined as viewing them'
and on ideas -
'Ideas become beliefs when by precipitating tendencies to
action they persuade me they are signs of things; and these
things are not those ideas hypostatized, but are believed to
be compacted of many parts, and full of ambushed powers,
entirely absent from the ideas. The belief is imposed on me
surreptitiously by a latent mechanical reaction of my body
on the object producing the idea; it is by no means implied
by any qualities obvious in that idea. Such a latent reaction,
being mechanical, can hardly be avoided, but it may be discounted
in reflection........'
and back to solipsism - Santayana says -
'The difficulties I find in maintaining it come from the social
and laborious character of human life'
and latter -
'But identity....implies two moments, two instances, or two
intuitions, between which it obtains. Similarly, a "present
moment" suggests other moments, and an adventitious limitation
either in duration or in scope; but the solipsist and his world
(which are not distinguishable) have by hypothesis no environment
whatsoever, and nothing limits them save the fact that there is
nothing more.'
I think Santayana is right here - solipsism is really a result
of a quest for certainty - and one that is not logically sustainable
- the self is only a self relative to non-self and if we were to
drop the idea of non-self - it would be no solution for the solipsist
- for the result would be - on paper - as it were - that the self
has disappeared into the totality - it actually no longer exists -
the totality is self - and this makes no sense for the whole point
of self is its definition - its distinction - and there is no
distinction in everything
so this kind of a quest for certainty - really results in denial
of the subject - and leads to an ontology - a world view where no
thing per se exists - let alone a peculiar thing
like the self -
and we ask what is the point of such a quest - even if we don't
end up in the paradox of solipsism - why certainty?
where does the idea come from - what is its use?
my gut feeling is that it is a retreat from the world - a desire
for an alternative reality one that is unchanging - Plato knew
this and was up front about it -
and who has not been thwarted by the vicissitudes of life - yes
nevertheless it is still a retreat - a denial
but I suppose a denial with hope - the hope for something better?
even so - whatever one comes up with as a better reality - is no
more than a fancy defeated in every moment
perhaps at the very least it is safer to acknowledge the
uncertainty of life - of existing
at the best the idea is to see uncertainty as the very basis -
the ground of possibility -
and hence the source of all human freedom and creativity
this is not a natural reaction - and not a common one -
let alone an easy one - I think it only comes from deep experience
and /or deep thought -
it is a position you can arrive at via a healthy and positive
critical approach to life - it is a position that is hard to
maintain - and requires courage in life and thought
the sceptic does not need to deny the existence of anything -
let alone the world - the question is how to regard beliefs -
ideas - about the world?
what are they and what is the point of them?
are they not simply companions of action?
and the substance - the qualities - the ground -
of the inner life -
a ground never sure - but ever bright
12.8.05
Santayana II
doubt and dogma
Santayana in this chapter takes the view that nature
is in some sense the true reality
dogma he regards as accepted opinion - really a fantasy
of explanation
'what kills spontaneous fictions... is the angry voice
of some contrary fancy'
'Nature, silently making fools of us all our lives,
never would bring us to our senses; but the maddest
assertions of the mind may do so, when they challenge
one another'
scepticism is a suspicion of error about facts
because a sceptic's assertions may be well grounded -
scepticism is a form of belief
dogma cannot be abandoned only revised
hence all scepticism rests on some dogmatic presupposition
intelligence is veridical
the need to believe something does not justify any
particular belief
given all the above -
how does 'nature' as Santayana describes reality - or what
is fundamental - speak to human beings?
it's all well and good to say it is there - but how is it
knowable on this view?
the impression I have is that Santayana takes the view -
what we have in knowledge is just dogma and it's conflict -
the possibility - inevitability of a conflict of fantasies
over what - nature? - we may as well say - x - i.e. -
whatever it is -
scepticism he says is a suspicion of error regarding facts -
but what is the origin of this suspicion - there seems at
this stage no reason to think it has anything to do with truth
- isn't it just different dogmas clashing?
you may presume a truth at the bottom of all this - but so
far no particular reason to do so
what is a fact on this view but a reigning dogma?
and the sceptic is just one who has an opinion that is not
the same as the one he challenges
Santayana says a sceptic's opinions may be well grounded -
how could this be possible - well grounded on what?
is not scepticism on this view just the conflict of difference
- conflicting dogmas - opinions?
we will need to wait for further elucidations of his thought
before jumping to any firm conclusions
so far I wonder if Santayana is just proposing a kind of
Hobbesian reality of a war of dogma against dogma - with
a detached sovereign - who may be watching - but has no
impact on events
this is not a criticism
(it may be just the true picture)
but is it an argument really for anything?
we begin as it were with conflict - can it be resolved and
does scepticism have a positive role here?
and is a fact something different from dogma - if so how do
we know it?
and he speaks of nature - as the touchstone but here again -
can we understand it outside of what he calls dogma?
I tend to think that outside of opinion what we have -
the only objective description of what is beyond description -
is the unknown
now the question - what is this - an objective reality -
or a subjective reality?
my answer is that at this point - we have gone beyond
such categories
and the answer is - fair and square - without any tricks -
unknown
we'll see
Santayana in this chapter takes the view that nature
is in some sense the true reality
dogma he regards as accepted opinion - really a fantasy
of explanation
'what kills spontaneous fictions... is the angry voice
of some contrary fancy'
'Nature, silently making fools of us all our lives,
never would bring us to our senses; but the maddest
assertions of the mind may do so, when they challenge
one another'
scepticism is a suspicion of error about facts
because a sceptic's assertions may be well grounded -
scepticism is a form of belief
dogma cannot be abandoned only revised
hence all scepticism rests on some dogmatic presupposition
intelligence is veridical
the need to believe something does not justify any
particular belief
given all the above -
how does 'nature' as Santayana describes reality - or what
is fundamental - speak to human beings?
it's all well and good to say it is there - but how is it
knowable on this view?
the impression I have is that Santayana takes the view -
what we have in knowledge is just dogma and it's conflict -
the possibility - inevitability of a conflict of fantasies
over what - nature? - we may as well say - x - i.e. -
whatever it is -
scepticism he says is a suspicion of error regarding facts -
but what is the origin of this suspicion - there seems at
this stage no reason to think it has anything to do with truth
- isn't it just different dogmas clashing?
you may presume a truth at the bottom of all this - but so
far no particular reason to do so
what is a fact on this view but a reigning dogma?
and the sceptic is just one who has an opinion that is not
the same as the one he challenges
Santayana says a sceptic's opinions may be well grounded -
how could this be possible - well grounded on what?
is not scepticism on this view just the conflict of difference
- conflicting dogmas - opinions?
we will need to wait for further elucidations of his thought
before jumping to any firm conclusions
so far I wonder if Santayana is just proposing a kind of
Hobbesian reality of a war of dogma against dogma - with
a detached sovereign - who may be watching - but has no
impact on events
this is not a criticism
(it may be just the true picture)
but is it an argument really for anything?
we begin as it were with conflict - can it be resolved and
does scepticism have a positive role here?
and is a fact something different from dogma - if so how do
we know it?
and he speaks of nature - as the touchstone but here again -
can we understand it outside of what he calls dogma?
I tend to think that outside of opinion what we have -
the only objective description of what is beyond description -
is the unknown
now the question - what is this - an objective reality -
or a subjective reality?
my answer is that at this point - we have gone beyond
such categories
and the answer is - fair and square - without any tricks -
unknown
we'll see
scepticism
scepticism is an understanding of relationship of
subject and object
the subject is contained within the object
this is a given
how we explain it is another thing
it is a given -
because - to speak of a subject - the category
presupposes a definitiveness
the subject is 'a something'
what?
well at the very least we can place it within the object
we must - for it is the object - the world - that defines the
subject
the subject is within
the question is - can the subject - define the world
its context
the domain beyond its boundaries
the answer is yes and no
the subject can describe what it 'sees' - what it knows -
this knowledge though - by definition is strictly limited
the subject can never transcend the object
(if it did so - it would by definition cease to be what
it is - at the very least - 'within')
it is the subject's awareness - consciousness of its
definition -
that leads it to the quest for definition of the totality
it is the assumption that - as the totality - the object
defines (and this is to speak metaphorically) - so it too
can be defined
this is not so
for definition requires containment
to be defined - x must be within - that is its definition -
or the ground of its definition
anything specific you say on top of this - what we normally
call definition is prefaced
on this ontological fact
the world - is not - cannot be within
it is by its nature - not within - hence - its status
as object
the world cannot be defined
the illusion that it can be - is an illusion - or a mistake
of the subject - a wish - if you like - that the object -
is not an object - but in truth - a subject
God as you can see slots in well here
our knowledge - our descriptions - of the world itself -
i.e. science - other metaphysical descriptions - are but
imaginative constructions
deep fantasies of the subject
subjectivizations of the object
in saying this though I am not devaluing such projections
it is clear
they are necessary for the human being
it is the nature of consciousness to project itself
onto the world
to imprint the object with subjectivity - to thus identify
it - know it if you like
for what reason?
the reason is - the emptiness of the object
here again
the object - the totality is without definition
the primary function of consciousness is to give definition
to that which is not defined
the relationship is perfect
the object defines the subject
the subject gives definition to the object
knowledge is just this
as it were - the rush of being to nothingness
the act is futile and necessary
it is without reason
it is just what happens -
and no different to any other happening in the world
you need to understand the world as mindless to see
its purity
subject and object
the subject is contained within the object
this is a given
how we explain it is another thing
it is a given -
because - to speak of a subject - the category
presupposes a definitiveness
the subject is 'a something'
what?
well at the very least we can place it within the object
we must - for it is the object - the world - that defines the
subject
the subject is within
the question is - can the subject - define the world
its context
the domain beyond its boundaries
the answer is yes and no
the subject can describe what it 'sees' - what it knows -
this knowledge though - by definition is strictly limited
the subject can never transcend the object
(if it did so - it would by definition cease to be what
it is - at the very least - 'within')
it is the subject's awareness - consciousness of its
definition -
that leads it to the quest for definition of the totality
it is the assumption that - as the totality - the object
defines (and this is to speak metaphorically) - so it too
can be defined
this is not so
for definition requires containment
to be defined - x must be within - that is its definition -
or the ground of its definition
anything specific you say on top of this - what we normally
call definition is prefaced
on this ontological fact
the world - is not - cannot be within
it is by its nature - not within - hence - its status
as object
the world cannot be defined
the illusion that it can be - is an illusion - or a mistake
of the subject - a wish - if you like - that the object -
is not an object - but in truth - a subject
God as you can see slots in well here
our knowledge - our descriptions - of the world itself -
i.e. science - other metaphysical descriptions - are but
imaginative constructions
deep fantasies of the subject
subjectivizations of the object
in saying this though I am not devaluing such projections
it is clear
they are necessary for the human being
it is the nature of consciousness to project itself
onto the world
to imprint the object with subjectivity - to thus identify
it - know it if you like
for what reason?
the reason is - the emptiness of the object
here again
the object - the totality is without definition
the primary function of consciousness is to give definition
to that which is not defined
the relationship is perfect
the object defines the subject
the subject gives definition to the object
knowledge is just this
as it were - the rush of being to nothingness
the act is futile and necessary
it is without reason
it is just what happens -
and no different to any other happening in the world
you need to understand the world as mindless to see
its purity
11.8.05
Santayana
scepticism and animal faith
there is no first principle of criticism
some thoughts -
Santayana clearly takes the view that the function
of philosophy is critical
that is what is left of facts - the facts of empirical
science once you strip away the presuppositions -
the uncritical assumptions - and he sees Kantian
Transcendalists as those who have used sceptical methods
to foist unskeptical presuppositions on to or
under the facts
if we begin as he says - we can only do so -
'in the middle' - there are no first principles to begin
with or from - for they are logically of the same status
as any other sticks of metaphysical furniture - what can
we do - where to go - what is the task?
it's a good question - and yes he is right here we do only
begin where we begin ('begin the begine'?) - yes
well we describe what we see - where we are - we describe -
map out the territory -
and yes - inevitably - we paint a picture
as to other pictures - i.e. - the old masters -
of empiricism and transcendental idealism
what can we do?
what do we do?
yes question - investigate - look for what you might
call first principles - check for consistency
but just pictures in a gallery actual and possible
a possible infinity of first principles - if that is how
you want to go
the sceptic points to the arbitrariness of any description
sees between the frames - to the wall - the blank
on which it all hangs -
to the unknown
to what purpose?
I think the purpose is the result of such an inquiry
it shows the freedom of interpretation beyond the obvious
which we must describe - to begin with
(so we define the world - to begin the question of
definition)
anyway
what this points to - leads to - is the unknown
'in medias res'
the scepticism I argue for here is not just
methodological - Socratic
it is God forbid - substantial
and this the source of freedom -
the nature of consciousness
there is no first principle of criticism
some thoughts -
Santayana clearly takes the view that the function
of philosophy is critical
that is what is left of facts - the facts of empirical
science once you strip away the presuppositions -
the uncritical assumptions - and he sees Kantian
Transcendalists as those who have used sceptical methods
to foist unskeptical presuppositions on to or
under the facts
if we begin as he says - we can only do so -
'in the middle' - there are no first principles to begin
with or from - for they are logically of the same status
as any other sticks of metaphysical furniture - what can
we do - where to go - what is the task?
it's a good question - and yes he is right here we do only
begin where we begin ('begin the begine'?) - yes
well we describe what we see - where we are - we describe -
map out the territory -
and yes - inevitably - we paint a picture
as to other pictures - i.e. - the old masters -
of empiricism and transcendental idealism
what can we do?
what do we do?
yes question - investigate - look for what you might
call first principles - check for consistency
but just pictures in a gallery actual and possible
a possible infinity of first principles - if that is how
you want to go
the sceptic points to the arbitrariness of any description
sees between the frames - to the wall - the blank
on which it all hangs -
to the unknown
to what purpose?
I think the purpose is the result of such an inquiry
it shows the freedom of interpretation beyond the obvious
which we must describe - to begin with
(so we define the world - to begin the question of
definition)
anyway
what this points to - leads to - is the unknown
'in medias res'
the scepticism I argue for here is not just
methodological - Socratic
it is God forbid - substantial
and this the source of freedom -
the nature of consciousness
moral thinking
the focus of moral thinking is the indeterminacy
of human behaviour
you could say 'action' here - but I want to speak
specifically about that class of action that is
interpersonal - between people - in relation to others
- this is what I mean here by behaviour
also action - is something of a stripped down version -
of a more complex picture
behaviour here - not only entails action -
but it presupposes thought - and also
patterns of action which we would term - unconscious -
or just habitual - in short - the thought and act of
individuals - and I would say socially understood patterns of
action and thought -
I'm looking for a broad understanding here -
how to act in relation to the other?
what line of thought to take - what series of moves?
the thing is we need a way of focusing these issues -
otherwise - the questions yield no definitive answers -
or - we give up looking at variables - and just make the
decision to 'act for this reason and in this way' -
this kind of pragmatic resolution is either - ignorant -
or highly sophisticated -
but in either case it is not people's first choice of
understanding
what we do is ask the question - 'what is the right thing
to do?' - or some such variant -
the point of such a question is to resolve the issue
of procedure - to create a focus - that can accommodate
all variables
look - if it was just a simple case of understanding cause
and effect - no question
what we need to understand in such matters is the total
picture
now strictly speaking this can never happen
however contingency - actually demands it
'I don't know what to do here - what am I going to do?'
this translates to - what is the right thing to do?
the question - presupposes - the end of indeterminacy -
and this is the secret
it proposes an alternative to the reality of indeterminacy
now - religious people have explained this by positing
an alternative reality
we don't need to do this
we just need to know this about ourselves as functioning
conscious entities - we are set up to demand - require
definition
in interpersonal relations - such is the function of
moral thinking
the fact that no definition holds is reality's eternal
assertion -
in your face - so to speak
hey - keeps us on our toes
p.s.
therefore no great surprise that the language of morality
is not naturalistic - in the sense of physical science -
how could it be? - the whole point - of it is to defy - to
super-impose on the natural state of affairs
and if what I suggest is so - there is no question of
deducing an 'ought' from an 'is' this is not the game -
not what it's about
rather - it has more to do with establishing a model -
a framework in which to define the 'is'
an 'imposture' if you wish
one that goes beyond the simple - observation of the
external (science)
one that puts internal realities into the mix
and demands resolution - definitiveness
no simple matter - but one that has all the force of
necessity
of human behaviour
you could say 'action' here - but I want to speak
specifically about that class of action that is
interpersonal - between people - in relation to others
- this is what I mean here by behaviour
also action - is something of a stripped down version -
of a more complex picture
behaviour here - not only entails action -
but it presupposes thought - and also
patterns of action which we would term - unconscious -
or just habitual - in short - the thought and act of
individuals - and I would say socially understood patterns of
action and thought -
I'm looking for a broad understanding here -
how to act in relation to the other?
what line of thought to take - what series of moves?
the thing is we need a way of focusing these issues -
otherwise - the questions yield no definitive answers -
or - we give up looking at variables - and just make the
decision to 'act for this reason and in this way' -
this kind of pragmatic resolution is either - ignorant -
or highly sophisticated -
but in either case it is not people's first choice of
understanding
what we do is ask the question - 'what is the right thing
to do?' - or some such variant -
the point of such a question is to resolve the issue
of procedure - to create a focus - that can accommodate
all variables
look - if it was just a simple case of understanding cause
and effect - no question
what we need to understand in such matters is the total
picture
now strictly speaking this can never happen
however contingency - actually demands it
'I don't know what to do here - what am I going to do?'
this translates to - what is the right thing to do?
the question - presupposes - the end of indeterminacy -
and this is the secret
it proposes an alternative to the reality of indeterminacy
now - religious people have explained this by positing
an alternative reality
we don't need to do this
we just need to know this about ourselves as functioning
conscious entities - we are set up to demand - require
definition
in interpersonal relations - such is the function of
moral thinking
the fact that no definition holds is reality's eternal
assertion -
in your face - so to speak
hey - keeps us on our toes
p.s.
therefore no great surprise that the language of morality
is not naturalistic - in the sense of physical science -
how could it be? - the whole point - of it is to defy - to
super-impose on the natural state of affairs
and if what I suggest is so - there is no question of
deducing an 'ought' from an 'is' this is not the game -
not what it's about
rather - it has more to do with establishing a model -
a framework in which to define the 'is'
an 'imposture' if you wish
one that goes beyond the simple - observation of the
external (science)
one that puts internal realities into the mix
and demands resolution - definitiveness
no simple matter - but one that has all the force of
necessity
consciousness and indeterminacy
consciousness brings indeterminacy to the world
this has great implications for the bearers of consciousness
- nothing for the world
consciousness is - if this is so - a secondary feature
of reality - it is not fundamental
whatever your view of the nature of consciousness -
it is 'brought to' reality
if you like you can think of it as imposed upon -
non-conscious reality
a secondary quality
you may wish to see it as specific to a class of existents
what I want to say is morality is consciousness'
response to itself
morality - the realm of morality - if you like -
is consciousness' response to its indeterminacy
'what I should do' only arises because of indeterminacy
(because of consciousness)
putting it crudely - consciousness brings choice to the world
morality - the theory - the practice - is the mind's
response to this - to this fact of itself
it is as it were - the mind's attempt to resolve itself -
or even to defy itself - deny - you could say -
(depending on which side of the bed you up wake on)
what we know though is that the point of this
indeterminacy (from consciousness' point of view)
is resolution
I suspect consciousness understands itself as an indeterminate
state in a determinate world - the natural instinct here is to
resolve into the determinate totality
this though - is never possible -
hence we have an unresolvable tension - between consciousness
and the world
it is this that is the dynamic of conscious life
this has great implications for the bearers of consciousness
- nothing for the world
consciousness is - if this is so - a secondary feature
of reality - it is not fundamental
whatever your view of the nature of consciousness -
it is 'brought to' reality
if you like you can think of it as imposed upon -
non-conscious reality
a secondary quality
you may wish to see it as specific to a class of existents
what I want to say is morality is consciousness'
response to itself
morality - the realm of morality - if you like -
is consciousness' response to its indeterminacy
'what I should do' only arises because of indeterminacy
(because of consciousness)
putting it crudely - consciousness brings choice to the world
morality - the theory - the practice - is the mind's
response to this - to this fact of itself
it is as it were - the mind's attempt to resolve itself -
or even to defy itself - deny - you could say -
(depending on which side of the bed you up wake on)
what we know though is that the point of this
indeterminacy (from consciousness' point of view)
is resolution
I suspect consciousness understands itself as an indeterminate
state in a determinate world - the natural instinct here is to
resolve into the determinate totality
this though - is never possible -
hence we have an unresolvable tension - between consciousness
and the world
it is this that is the dynamic of conscious life
the moral life
the human characteristic - of moral behaviour -
(and I don't mean this in a behaviouristic sense)
can be looked at from two points of view - from the inside -
the activity - mental - of the moral agent - or objectively -
in the sense of - description - of what people do -
and psychology goes a little way to this end -
but to get the real picture you need - moral philosophy -
for here you have the maps and pictures of
moral states
this is what I think happens in moral philosophy -
from the inside - the moral philosopher is just the moral
agent (writ large as it were)
and the kinds of questions asked - are peculiarly
moral questions
what is good - what is right -
these are questions that have a particular form -
logical form -
firstly - any answer given to such a question -
is what I will call open - it is not closed
- in the way that we say an empirical question is -
secondly - any such answer has the character of necessity
if I think x is the good - 'y' the right thing to do -
in general - these conclusions demand assent
they are not optional -
so we have a curious state of affairs -
the answer demands but the question stays open
therefore
morality
what this means is that we live in - as moral agents -
an open necessity
and it is this that accounts for the fact that moral agents
operate with an indeterminate definitiveness
what I mean is this -
we have to address ethical issues in a definite manner -
but the questions (moral) are never closed off
and this I think goes some way to accounting for the fact
that a typical moral agent will in the course of a moral
life move through a series of necessities - a number of
moral views -
and not regard himself as - contradictory - or afflicted
with paradox
such is the key characteristic of the moral life -
to be free (not closed off) and definitive
just to return for a minute to what philosophers do
like moral agents they carry on - as if they are solving
problems -
this is an archetypal form of moral behavior
in fact I think what philosophers do here - is elucidate
and describe - decisions made
this is what the whole of moral theory - meta and normative -
is to the service of
and what we in fact get - in moral theory - is possible
accounts of decision
- maps if you like - one territory - many maps
(and I don't mean this in a behaviouristic sense)
can be looked at from two points of view - from the inside -
the activity - mental - of the moral agent - or objectively -
in the sense of - description - of what people do -
and psychology goes a little way to this end -
but to get the real picture you need - moral philosophy -
for here you have the maps and pictures of
moral states
this is what I think happens in moral philosophy -
from the inside - the moral philosopher is just the moral
agent (writ large as it were)
and the kinds of questions asked - are peculiarly
moral questions
what is good - what is right -
these are questions that have a particular form -
logical form -
firstly - any answer given to such a question -
is what I will call open - it is not closed
- in the way that we say an empirical question is -
secondly - any such answer has the character of necessity
if I think x is the good - 'y' the right thing to do -
in general - these conclusions demand assent
they are not optional -
so we have a curious state of affairs -
the answer demands but the question stays open
therefore
morality
what this means is that we live in - as moral agents -
an open necessity
and it is this that accounts for the fact that moral agents
operate with an indeterminate definitiveness
what I mean is this -
we have to address ethical issues in a definite manner -
but the questions (moral) are never closed off
and this I think goes some way to accounting for the fact
that a typical moral agent will in the course of a moral
life move through a series of necessities - a number of
moral views -
and not regard himself as - contradictory - or afflicted
with paradox
such is the key characteristic of the moral life -
to be free (not closed off) and definitive
just to return for a minute to what philosophers do
like moral agents they carry on - as if they are solving
problems -
this is an archetypal form of moral behavior
in fact I think what philosophers do here - is elucidate
and describe - decisions made
this is what the whole of moral theory - meta and normative -
is to the service of
and what we in fact get - in moral theory - is possible
accounts of decision
- maps if you like - one territory - many maps
9.8.05
mind and relations
can we speak of mind in terms of relations?
I mean drop - or perhaps better - suspend - the issue of
substance - mind as matter - mind as spirit
the idea would be to develop an account of mind - that could
apply to whatever - metaphysics - a theory of mind - that
would fit the materialist metaphysics - or the idealist
just a thought here -
Spinoza's account -
substance (God or nature) expresses itself as extension
and mind
on this view - mind and matter are attributes of substance
is it too big a step to go from this to - relations of
substance?
in Spinoza's term these relations would be internal
different from my proposal - where mind is the internal relation
- matter - external
but it's an externality - relative to mind
and we could still speak of a totality
being or existence - that contains mind and matter
(I would think of such - not as substance - but as the
unknown - and frankly I would argue Spinoza's substance -
is just this - the unknown)
anyway
I think the real question here is - can we avoid
ontological commitment - suspend it -
and still have something interesting to say?
and move the issue on -
it's quite a bizarre notion - to speak of mind -
and leave the question of its substantial
nature - open
but you only see it is as odd if you assume -
that mind is substantial -
perhaps 'it' is not
perhaps mind is not thing - or indeed process -
but rather - relation
a relation that holds regardless of ontological commitment
when I speak of mind as internal
and the physical as external
my focus is not on the stuff - of internality -
of externality -
rather that such ontological categories exist -
in fact are necessary
the outer and the inner - and relations - between and within
I mean drop - or perhaps better - suspend - the issue of
substance - mind as matter - mind as spirit
the idea would be to develop an account of mind - that could
apply to whatever - metaphysics - a theory of mind - that
would fit the materialist metaphysics - or the idealist
just a thought here -
Spinoza's account -
substance (God or nature) expresses itself as extension
and mind
on this view - mind and matter are attributes of substance
is it too big a step to go from this to - relations of
substance?
in Spinoza's term these relations would be internal
different from my proposal - where mind is the internal relation
- matter - external
but it's an externality - relative to mind
and we could still speak of a totality
being or existence - that contains mind and matter
(I would think of such - not as substance - but as the
unknown - and frankly I would argue Spinoza's substance -
is just this - the unknown)
anyway
I think the real question here is - can we avoid
ontological commitment - suspend it -
and still have something interesting to say?
and move the issue on -
it's quite a bizarre notion - to speak of mind -
and leave the question of its substantial
nature - open
but you only see it is as odd if you assume -
that mind is substantial -
perhaps 'it' is not
perhaps mind is not thing - or indeed process -
but rather - relation
a relation that holds regardless of ontological commitment
when I speak of mind as internal
and the physical as external
my focus is not on the stuff - of internality -
of externality -
rather that such ontological categories exist -
in fact are necessary
the outer and the inner - and relations - between and within
8.8.05
mind as relation
continuing on with the idea of mind as relation -
consciousness - relates - to the world -
the external world - and to itself
that is the relation is 'di-mensional'(?)
an external relation
an internal relation
on this view consciousness - we can say is the focal point
that is consciousness in itself is the centre point
the pure point
which is explicated in its relations (?) external / internal
so the reflexivity of consciousness
is this a defining characteristic - the defining
characteristic - or an attribute of consciousness - of mind?
Janus - the looking - the seeing both ways - two faces
reflexivity - really a characterization of -
self-consciousness
it is the internal relation?
the thing as internally defined?
so do we have - self-consciousness - and consciousness of -
the other - the non-self - the world
the two dimensions of consciousness
consciousness in this sense - the centre - in a mathematical
sense - as the 'substanceless point' of the world -
perhaps the ideal point
it is clear
that - outside of this - there is no knowledge
and this is virtually analytically true
consciousness is knowledge
- beyond knowledge - the unknown -
and the great difficulty for epistemologists is
what can you say further on these matters?
we have self-consciousness
- consciousness of consciousness
consciousness of - the non-conscious - i.e. - the world -
and still we want to ask - what is it?
- we know it - experience it
- can distinguish it from the non-consciousness
beyond this?
we want to say it is something -
because it is -
but what?
it is just as if you can only say here
it is what it is -
and at the moment I find this line of inquiry -
the substantial theory of mind - tiresome
the idea of thinking of mind as relation -
(though I haven't quite got a handle on it yet)
has just the hint of liberation
consciousness - relates - to the world -
the external world - and to itself
that is the relation is 'di-mensional'(?)
an external relation
an internal relation
on this view consciousness - we can say is the focal point
that is consciousness in itself is the centre point
the pure point
which is explicated in its relations (?) external / internal
so the reflexivity of consciousness
is this a defining characteristic - the defining
characteristic - or an attribute of consciousness - of mind?
Janus - the looking - the seeing both ways - two faces
reflexivity - really a characterization of -
self-consciousness
it is the internal relation?
the thing as internally defined?
so do we have - self-consciousness - and consciousness of -
the other - the non-self - the world
the two dimensions of consciousness
consciousness in this sense - the centre - in a mathematical
sense - as the 'substanceless point' of the world -
perhaps the ideal point
it is clear
that - outside of this - there is no knowledge
and this is virtually analytically true
consciousness is knowledge
- beyond knowledge - the unknown -
and the great difficulty for epistemologists is
what can you say further on these matters?
we have self-consciousness
- consciousness of consciousness
consciousness of - the non-conscious - i.e. - the world -
and still we want to ask - what is it?
- we know it - experience it
- can distinguish it from the non-consciousness
beyond this?
we want to say it is something -
because it is -
but what?
it is just as if you can only say here
it is what it is -
and at the moment I find this line of inquiry -
the substantial theory of mind - tiresome
the idea of thinking of mind as relation -
(though I haven't quite got a handle on it yet)
has just the hint of liberation
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